Over Rated/Under Rated/Ratings and you!

[_Fernando]

Hey guys, we're almost a month and half into the NBA Season and we've had some interesting ratings movement and in some cases, lack of movement.

I'm looking for feedback on what you guys think to be moved. We have a great group here and the discussion should be fun!

The type of feedback I'm looking for is general not specific. The reason is that your definition of a 87 Steal is not the same as mine or WTF's or Tonyattia's.

So, an example of the type of feedback is "Jimmy Butler should be higher, better than Lance Stephenson" (Which he should)

NOT: "Jimmy Butler should be an 85, Stephenson an 82 and Kobe an 86." This type of detail will make it difficult to move the conversation forward since there will be a lot to cover, I'm sure.

Does this sound good? If so, lets get this party started.

[Mintsa]

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Kyle Lowry man....Kyle Lowry. He's ballin this year. Best PG in the east !!!! (yeah, i just said it....lol)

[BiggD]

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Kyle Lowry man....Kyle Lowry. He's ballin this year. Best PG in the east !!!! (yeah, i just said it....lol)

Helps that DD is out ;-)

seriously though Lowry has gotta be a lock for all-star...at this point anyways



I know this is a broad statement but the 3pt % has to go down across the board...every player!

[Playmakers]

Re: Over Rated/Under Rated/Ratings and you!

If the ratings actually effect gameplay then this thread would be awesome but if we are just changing numbers to increase or decrease the overall rating of a player per say then really I don't think this thread is needed.

For example if the actual ratings change doesn't effect a player shooting a 3 point shot (miss/make) or his ability to make a specific pass (lop/alley oop) then ratings become irrelevant and guys will use this thread only to debate who should be higher in want area without it really mattering on the floor.

That's just my 2-cents Fernando

Appreciate all the feedback you provide

[Tonyattia]

Over Rated/Under Rated/Ratings and you!

Well I terms of overall ratings, I'm not sure Carmelo, Joakim Noah, or Blake are better than Anthony Davis. Iguodala, Bledsoe, lance, and Lawson are all overrated to me.

The obvious underrated one is jimmy butler but I have a few others. Draymond green, and Jared sullinger seem to be underrated in their 3pt abilities. Donatas Motiejunas (who is left handed in real life but right handed in game) is playing really well for Houston while Dwight and Terrence jones recover from injuries. Monta Ellis is beasting and needs a bump and Austin rivers is underated in my opinion. Also Giannis is having a really good year.

My biggest gripes have to do with the speed ratings. For instance kevin love an Carmelo are one point apart? Mike Conley and j crossover are also slow in game. Besides that and a few pass and shot block inconsistencies the ratings look really good to me.


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[Walt Frazier]

Re: Over Rated/Under Rated/Ratings and you!

If the ratings actually effect gameplay then this thread would be awesome but if we are just changing numbers to increase or decrease the overall rating of a player per say then really I don't think this thread is needed.

For example if the actual ratings change doesn't effect a player shooting a 3 point shot (miss/make) or his ability to make a specific pass (lop/alley oop) then ratings become irrelevant and guys will use this thread only to debate who should be higher in want area without it really mattering on the floor.

That's just my 2-cents Fernando

Appreciate all the feedback you provide

100% true, unfortunately.


The ratings, literally, don't matter. You can dunk like MJ with with Kyle Korver and block shots like you are David Robinson in his prime with Dirk.

[ifitbeginsitends]

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Dirk went big shot hunting against me last night.. Ended the game with 3-4 mutumbo like blocks. And Toby parker isn't that real behind the three point line is he? For the first time I really felt like the game was just overly cheating the three point line. It's like it doesn't want to just shoot it right in your face so he was running around like a chicken with it head cut off, then the instant I begin to play catch up he put up shots and started draining everything

[Tomba]

Re: Over Rated/Under Rated/Ratings and you!

If the ratings actually effect gameplay then this thread would be awesome but if we are just changing numbers to increase or decrease the overall rating of a player per say then really I don't think this thread is needed.

For example if the actual ratings change doesn't effect a player shooting a 3 point shot (miss/make) or his ability to make a specific pass (lop/alley oop) then ratings become irrelevant and guys will use this thread only to debate who should be higher in want area without it really mattering on the floor.

That's just my 2-cents Fernando

Appreciate all the feedback you provide

Great question play I'd also like to add to this question but I bet it's going to be glazed over by Fernando as all the other questions in regards to animations being affected by player ratings always are

[Tonyattia]

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Great question play I'd also like to add to this question but I bet it's going to be glazed over by Fernando as all the other questions in regards to animations being affected by player ratings always are

Rah I think their needs to be certain thresholds for certain animations, like until you have a 60 dunk you can't dunk, or certain block animations shouldn't occur for low block ratings, if you have a low steal rating your animations should be a really slow stab at the ball that end in a foul often, and if you have a low pass rating you shouldn't be able to throw out of bounds half court passes on the money, touchdown passes off of rebounds, or pocket passes o pick and roll. The only rating that seem to effect you are the shooting(sort of because of you have great real ease it kinda negates had ratings) and ball handling an how much it moves cpu defenders. Besides those, everyone can post spin, steal, dunk, block shots. Definitely needs help


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[Tonyattia]

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Found some others
Chris Paul clutch rating is 74... Seems low to me same with his 68 contact shot and 81 layup.

Kevin Durants 92 dunk seems high along with his 87 pass accuracy and 92 3pt

Carmelo has a 98 mid range, and his 85 vertical and 84 dunk are overrated, he barely dunks anymore. Also his post moves are too high to me at a 93 which is 4th best

Tony Parker has a 91 3pt shot, good for 6th in the game. Too high but his 77 midrange seems low

Gerald Henderson, Caron butler, rand foye, cj miles Evan turner, and Avery Bradley all have 90 plus shot off dribble. Way high to me.

Lebron seems over rated in shot off dribble, on ball d, clutch,.

Damian lillard vertical(90)and dunk need to go down. He consistently posterizes people in game, which doesn't reflect his real life counterpart.

That's all I've seen so far that's of to me




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[donkey33]

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Found some others
Chris Paul clutch rating is 74... Seems low to me same with his 68 contact shot and 81 layup.

Kevin Durants 92 dunk seems high along with his 87 pass accuracy and 92 3pt

Carmelo has a 98 mid range, and his 85 vertical and 84 dunk are overrated, he barely dunks anymore. Also his post moves are too high to me at a 93 which is 4th best

Tony Parker has a 91 3pt shot, good for 6th in the game. Too high but his 77 midrange seems low

Gerald Henderson, Caron butler, rand foye, cj miles Evan turner, and Avery Bradley all have 90 plus shot off dribble. Way high to me.

Lebron seems over rated in shot off dribble, on ball d, clutch,.

Damian lillard vertical(90)and dunk need to go down. He consistently posterizes people in game, which doesn't reflect his real life counterpart.

That's all I've seen so far that's of to me




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I would love to hear Fernando's breakdown on how some of these were assigned because some don't make any sense at all. Does synergy somehow assign a dunk rating?

Don't understand why they don't patch in attribute editing options since it doesn't interfere with synergy if EA themselves edit the ratings internally. I'd love to hear how this game plays with the community testing and editing attributes.

[_Fernando]

Re: Over Rated/Under Rated/Ratings and you!

Well I terms of overall ratings, I'm not sure Carmelo, Joakim Noah, or Blake are better than Anthony Davis. Iguodala, Bledsoe, lance, and Lawson are all overrated to me.

The obvious underrated one is jimmy butler but I have a few others. Draymond green, and Jared sullinger seem to be underrated in their 3pt abilities. Donatas Motiejunas (who is left handed in real life but right handed in game) is playing really well for Houston while Dwight and Terrence jones recover from injuries. Monta Ellis is beasting and needs a bump and Austin rivers is underated in my opinion. Also Giannis is having a really good year.

My biggest gripes have to do with the speed ratings. For instance kevin love an Carmelo are one point apart? Mike Conley and j crossover are also slow in game. Besides that and a few pass and shot block inconsistencies the ratings look really good to me.


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I'm not sure if they're all playing better than AD either but, you can make a case for all of them.

Lance, Bledsoe and Lawson are probably high because of the way the overall formula is catered to their playstyles.

Monta is beasting and has a bump coming, no doubt.

I think you're the first person to say Austin Rivers is underrated

I'll check out the speeds for those guys!

Thanks for the feedback that's exactly what I was looking for in this thread!

Kyle Lowry man....Kyle Lowry. He's ballin this year. Best PG in the east !!!! (yeah, i just said it....lol)

John Wall would like a word with you!

He should be an all star.

Thanks for the feedback!

Found some others
Chris Paul clutch rating is 74... Seems low to me same with his 68 contact shot and 81 layup.

Kevin Durants 92 dunk seems high along with his 87 pass accuracy and 92 3pt

Carmelo has a 98 mid range, and his 85 vertical and 84 dunk are overrated, he barely dunks anymore. Also his post moves are too high to me at a 93 which is 4th best

Tony Parker has a 91 3pt shot, good for 6th in the game. Too high but his 77 midrange seems low

Gerald Henderson, Caron butler, rand foye, cj miles Evan turner, and Avery Bradley all have 90 plus shot off dribble. Way high to me.

Lebron seems over rated in shot off dribble, on ball d, clutch,.

Damian lillard vertical(90)and dunk need to go down. He consistently posterizes people in game, which doesn't reflect his real life counterpart.

That's all I've seen so far that's of to me


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Thanks for the feedback and I've already thought a lot about what you said. We'll see some movement.

Tony Parker is shooting pretty well so far, it's what happens when use data to move ratings. He'll come down over time, I believe.

As far as off the dribble rating, it's a modifier.

If you can't shoot, and you have a high off the dribble rating. Guess what, you still can't shoot.

This rating compares how well someone shoots in catch and shoot situations vs. off the dribble. Those guys shoot just as effectively in both situations.

Not sure if that's communicated effectively in game.

Again, thanks for the feedback, this is what I was looking for.

[WTF]

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Giannis needs to feel more athletic. For his size, he's doing things with the ball, showing great agility, being evasive. In the game right now though, he feels stiff. I'm not sure what ratings would control that, but he's grown all around as a player, and should reflect that in the game.

Another guy that is similar, lacking the explosiveness is KJ McDaniels. I tried playing with him the other day, and his lack of athleticism in the game is disrespectful to him. Granted, nobody uses the Sixers so no harm no foul

[Tonyattia]

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I'm not sure if they're all playing better than AD either but, you can make a case for all of them.

Lance, Bledsoe and Lawson are probably high because of the way the overall formula is catered to their playstyles.

Monta is beasting and has a bump coming, no doubt.

I think you're the first person to say Austin Rivers is underrated

I'll check out the speeds for those guys!

Thanks for the feedback that's exactly what I was looking for in this thread!




John Wall would like a word with you!

He should be an all star.

Thanks for the feedback!




Thanks for the feedback and I've already thought a lot about what you said. We'll see some movement.

Tony Parker is shooting pretty well so far, it's what happens when use data to move ratings. He'll come down over time, I believe.

As far as off the dribble rating, it's a modifier.

If you can't shoot, and you have a high off the dribble rating. Guess what, you still can't shoot.

This rating compares how well someone shoots in catch and shoot situations vs. off the dribble. Those guys shoot just as effectively in both situations.

Not sure if that's communicated effectively in game.

Again, thanks for the feedback, this is what I was looking for.

Thanks for the explanation. I thought it was your success rate on moves like step back jumpers, moving off the dribble shots and fadeaway.

Btw, have you guys looked into adding a seperate post fade and post hook rating? Just because you can make a mid range shot doesn't exactly mean you can make a turn around jumper from the post...


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[Tonyattia]

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One thin I've noticed now that the shot feed back tells you what kind of shot you have taken( mid range, inside ect) is that the inside shot extends out side of the paint, and to me that's mid range area. So when I use jammal Crawford who has an 88 midrange but 71 inside shot, and pull-up two feet outside the freethrow line, I miss a lot because it's an inside shot which is really frustrating given his great midrange abilities. I guess the quick fix is to raise players who have high mid range ratings, inside shot, but I think you might want to shorten the range of inside shots.


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