Curry scores 123 pts: Live 16 major shooting + AI defense issues

[itchyroll_51]

With no AI hedge defense intelligence, too easy to use shot mechanics, and no shot fatigue variable; a user can deliver INSANE performances on LIVE 16. I was able to drop 123 pts on the hardest difficulty of the game with Curry... Yes EA is trying but it can't stop overlooking the BASKETBALL aspect of the game.

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Feel free to discuss ^_^ I believe the percentages can be patched, the AI defense coding is what worries me the most...

Sam Pham

[swac07]

Re: Curry scores 123 pts: Live 16 majore shooting + AI defense issues

**major not "majore" lol ...

With no AI hedge defense intelligence, too easy to use shot mechanics, and no shot fatigue variable; a user can deliver INSANE performances on LIVE 16. I was able to drop 123 pts on the hardest difficulty of the game with Curry... Yes EA is trying but it can't stop overlooking the BASKETBALL aspect of the game.

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Feel free to discuss ^_^ I believe the percentages can be patched, the AI defense coding is what worries me the most...

Sam Pham

Good stuff Sam!

[Walt Frazier]

Re: Curry scores 123 pts: Live 16 majore shooting + AI defense issues

That is ridiculously bad. Double teams never came???

I don't use the Warriors...so, maybe this is just a Curry thing. I am using the Bulls and it is nowhere near that easy to score.

When I run picks like that with Rose, the defnder barely leaves me. Not sure why you got all those wide open Js.

Have you adjusted sliders?

[2_headedmonster]

Re: Curry scores 123 pts: Live 16 majore shooting + AI defense issues

- Defense:
A) Not sure what the hell Kyrie was doing on that P&R defense in the first possession it would have been more apparent had Rose not inexplicably and erroneously cut up the middle.

B) Double screen out of the Horns set at 1:30 Kyrie and the defense as a whole is out of position.

C) Kyrie reacts super early on P&R help and abandons Rose for a WIDE open 3 and there are other examples.

Bad defense happens and its a low difficulty, but pick and roll defense might be something to keep an eye on.

this is an excerpt of my breakdown of a Live 16 vid. I noticed a many lapses, and was going to test the flaws out in the demo, i just couldnt get into the game enough to do so.

Good break down man.

[itchyroll_51]

Re: Curry scores 123 pts: Live 16 majore shooting + AI defense issues

That is ridiculously bad. Double teams never came???

I don't use the Warriors...so, maybe this is just a Curry thing. I am using the Bulls and it is nowhere near that easy to score.

When I run picks like that with Rose, the defnder barely leaves me. Not sure why you got all those wide open Js.

Have you adjusted sliders?

No adjustment. Default sliders on superstar. I was able to get the separation because I ran semi transition pick and rolls/pick and pops. I would hold the screen button till defender runs into pick, and then I would separate with turbo crossover. The hedge defender will never step up so you really can't drive inside, however the jumper is there 24/7. Another thing is that (not boasting) I have high level sticks skills on the dribble stick and left stick; if you look at the crossovers in the video they were pretty nasty one two combo moves. You need that combo to get separation 24/7; however, without it you can still get open a lot as long as you hold the pick button down until defender runs into pick.

Sam Pham

[CujoMatty]

Re: Curry scores 123 pts: Live 16 majore shooting + AI defense issues

Well that ain't good Lol. Good video man hopefully they see this and at least try and do something about it.

[Walt Frazier]

Re: Curry scores 123 pts: Live 16 majore shooting + AI defense issues

No adjustment. Default sliders on superstar. I was able to get the separation because I ran semi transition pick and rolls/pick and pops. I would hold the screen button till defender runs into pick, and then I would separate with turbo crossover. The hedge defender will never step up so you really can't drive inside, however the jumper is there 24/7. Another thing is that (not boasting) I have high level sticks skills on the dribble stick and left stick; if you look at the crossovers in the video they were pretty nasty one two combo moves. You need that combo to get separation 24/7; however, without it you can still get open a lot as long as you hold the pick button down until defender runs into pick.

Sam Pham

The double teams never coming on a superstar player who scored 100 plus is a massive worry.

I have not seem double teams yet.

Could be a massive game killer.

[itchyroll_51]

Re: Curry scores 123 pts: Live 16 majore shooting + AI defense issues

The double teams never coming on a superstar player who scored 100 plus is a massive worry.

I have not seem double teams yet.

Could be a massive game killer.

AH i saved the double team clips for another EA constructive criticism video. They came but the doubles were insane and made no basketball sense so it was either a Klay open three or i swing the ball back to Curry for another open three. Still even tho the AI doubled they did it way too little, considering Curry was scoring 30 pts a qtr maybe they should've done more than throw 2-3 doubles at Curry every 12 minutes lol .......

[Walt Frazier]

Re: Curry scores 123 pts: Live 16 majore shooting + AI defense issues

AH i saved the double team clips for another EA constructive criticism video. They came but the doubles were insane and made no basketball sense so it was either a Klay open three or i swing the ball back to Curry for another open three. Still even tho the AI doubled they did it way too little, considering Curry was scoring 30 pts a qtr maybe they should've done more than throw 2-3 doubles at Curry every 12 minutes lol .......

Yeah, i have seen them bring a second man...but, as you said, not for any logical reason. Just a player randomly running in and often leaving a superstar wide open etc.

Keep the vids up Sam...They will not be able to fix this stuff up this release, but maybe by 17 they will. No one has really documented their errors in depth like your vids, so keep them coming.

Side note...this demo is really one of the best efforts I have seen. So much depth. As a consumer, I realy appreciate how much depth it has. It is probably enough for me to NOT buy the game, as I have seen too many flaws. I was ready to switch, but the game just has too many holes in it. As a consumer though, I applaud demos like this that allow us to sample a product before paying for it. It should be more common.

[ThaLiveKing]

Re: Curry scores 123 pts: Live 16 majore shooting + AI defense issues

The double teams never coming on a superstar player who scored 100 plus is a massive worry.

I have not seem double teams yet.

Could be a massive game killer.

I find that hard to believe, I was getting doubled team like crazy while I was going off with Westbrook. People ask for sliders and don't even use them lol

[benefactor]

Re: Curry scores 123 pts: Live 16 majore shooting + AI defense issues

I find that hard to believe, I was getting doubled team like crazy while I was going off with Westbrook

Yep, something is up with the settings that hasn't been mentioned.

Live 15 doubled as soon as a guy got hot and 16 has the exact same AI.

Not saying the doubles are perfect, because sometimes it's the wrong guy that comes over, leaving a simple pass and score. Likewise, I agree that it's simply far too easy to create space and drive with a screen but the doubles most certainly always come.

[Walt Frazier]

Re: Curry scores 123 pts: Live 16 majore shooting + AI defense issues

I find that hard to believe, I was getting doubled team like crazy while I was going off with Westbrook. People ask for sliders and don't even use them lol

Doubles come off the wrong guy etc. i.e. They will leave Durant wide open.

Sliders cannot change that.

And, yes, I use the sliders.

[Walt Frazier]

Re: Curry scores 123 pts: Live 16 majore shooting + AI defense issues

I find that hard to believe, I was getting doubled team like crazy while I was going off with Westbrook. People ask for sliders and don't even use them lol

You can also see proof in Sam's video. They should be brining a second man and trapping Curry around that pick. That is what I mean.

I do know you are a LIVE man etc, but Sam just scored 123 points and was never doubled as he brought it up / never doubled around the pick. The guy scored 120 points...!

I also like the series, but reality is reality. His video is hard to debate.

[itchyroll_51]

Re: Curry scores 123 pts: Live 16 majore shooting + AI defense issues

I find that hard to believe, I was getting doubled team like crazy while I was going off with Westbrook. People ask for sliders and don't even use them lol

They couldn't double me properly because i called transitional pick and rolls with the trailing big or half court pick and pops with wings. This type of offensive action takes a smart AI to combat against. Trailing big is hard to issue double because if Bogut is trailing the play the double must come from another wing. Live 16 can't figure this out so no double comes. I stay very high with Curry and maintain huge spacing across the court, i don't give AI a chance for an easy double. If they want to bring one is gonna be from far away, Live 16 AI doesn't bring far-side doubles so i murdered them.

A smart counter to this tactic of mine would be to run a half court trap or a full court press on just Curry, but once again Live 16 AI incapable of figuring this out.

I also attack in high speeds so if the AI is gonna make a decision it better make it fast. The live AI is so slow in committing to an action, i can literally trick it into not wanting to double Curry even tho i dropped 123.

*Doubles on Westbrook is easier because he isn't a shooting threat. Curry is a threat once he is open around 23 feet away from the basket, this allows me to stay high and away from strong side defenders. No easy double on Curry it has to be a SMART ONE, and LIVE 16 not so smart in the doubles department.

Sam Pham

[thesniper321]

Re: Curry scores 123 pts: Live 16 majore shooting + AI defense issues

You said DEFAULT sliders, but thanks for the video I think it can only help EA
I'm curious to see if the day 1 patch is going to affect this though