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Old 08-04-2008, 12:07 PM   #1
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Outdated Rosters, or How EA Can Fix A Major Problem in Less Than 365 Days

The whole NCAA/Madden "backend" is far too antiquated to begin even talking about a fix. Half the teams in college football and many teams in the NFL don't even use a fullback. Yet not only does the slot remain, IT HAS TO BE FILLED. The concept of a LOLB, ROLB, MLB is being phased out as defenses hybridize with DL/LB players, third safeties in the box, and WLBs and SLBs. EA hasn't even caught up to the LS position as a separate position (as almost all NFL teams have one dude designated as an LS), and people have been screaming for that since Y2K. How does NCAA handle a team such as West Virginia, which doesn't field a TE or a true FB at all but an effective three RB three WR (and moves some RBs into slot receiving roles) set that uses both "power" players and "speed" players on almost every formation? The answer is NCAA can't handle it at all, and forces players into TE, FB, and RB spots where they shouldn't be.

What should be done is the depth chart concept is scrapped, forever, along with the roster concept (as it stands now; you shouldn't be forced to carry two centers, or two QBs, or a FB so the database won't flip a tit. You should just have to be able to fill the roster requirement for competitive play)....then go ahead and base "depth charts" on your PLAYBOOK. Ideally, the computer can auto-fill your depth chart, but for those more anal (like me), you can pick and choose players based on whom works best and with what plays.

I do not see this as too great a programming hurdle to overcome. Except, of course, EA would have to get their playbooks correct, which is another matter entirely.....
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Thats a really good idea but you know it would turn into another disaster
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The whole NCAA/Madden "backend" is far too antiquated to begin even talking about a fix. Half the teams in college football and many teams in the NFL don't even use a fullback. Yet not only does the slot remain, IT HAS TO BE FILLED. The concept of a LOLB, ROLB, MLB is being phased out as defenses hybridize with DL/LB players, third safeties in the box, and WLBs and SLBs. EA hasn't even caught up to the LS position as a separate position (as almost all NFL teams have one dude designated as an LS), and people have been screaming for that since Y2K. How does NCAA handle a team such as West Virginia, which doesn't field a TE or a true FB at all but an effective three RB three WR (and moves some RBs into slot receiving roles) set that uses both "power" players and "speed" players on almost every formation? The answer is NCAA can't handle it at all, and forces players into TE, FB, and RB spots where they shouldn't be.

What should be done is the depth chart concept is scrapped, forever, along with the roster concept (as it stands now; you shouldn't be forced to carry two centers, or two QBs, or a FB so the database won't flip a tit. You should just have to be able to fill the roster requirement for competitive play)....then go ahead and base "depth charts" on your PLAYBOOK. Ideally, the computer can auto-fill your depth chart, but for those more anal (like me), you can pick and choose players based on whom works best and with what plays.

I do not see this as too great a programming hurdle to overcome. Except, of course, EA would have to get their playbooks correct, which is another matter entirely.....
If EA was going to try this, the easier direction would be to have the defense and offensive formations outside of the dyansty mode- which they should be. Along with coach and strategies. But then the depth chart and position for that team would be based off the formation chosen under coaches. So a 3-4 would have 2 MLB areas. Or a 3-3-5 would have a rover area, etc. This would be the easist way to do this.
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If EA was going to try this, the easier direction would be to have the defense and offensive formations outside of the dyansty mode- which they should be. Along with coach and strategies. But then the depth chart and position for that team would be based off the formation chosen under coaches. So a 3-4 would have 2 MLB areas. Or a 3-3-5 would have a rover area, etc. This would be the easist way to do this.
The best way to monopolize your idea would be to attach certain defenses/offenses to specific coordinators. If those coordinators move on, those formations move with them. As a head coach, you choose a playbook based on what both your coordinators bring to the table. That would be more for Madden, but you can simplify it for just the HC in NCAA, so, using your idea, a team that runs a triple option with a 3-3-5 would not have a "slot" for FB or TE and maybe a general slot for DB (instead of CB, SS, FS).

What I'm thinking is that the concept of a FB is almost outdated...what you have is a RB who is slow(er) but that can block well and catch. The way it is now, whenever you have two backs in the backfield, almost always by default one of them is the fullback, but more and more both players are going to be RBs. Hell, WVU only has like three wide receivers but about twelve RBs on the roster. We need a system that can handle those kinds of things.
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