Statistics in Sliders 2011

[Oraeon1224]

I provided some actual values through testing last year to help guide slider adjustments and made my on slider set. Anyone is welcome to use this data to help themselves. I will post my slider decisions under this message through editing and all values found will be posted below. To get realistic results you HAVE TO USE COACHING SLIDERS for all teams. Look for attachment with all teams real world stats for 2010 season. Also look for the attachment of QB presnap and postsnap reads if you need help with reading the defense.

Dificulty: All-American (ONLY USE AA, Varsity and Heismann will break these sliders)
Game speed: Normal speed
Speed threshold: 60 (decided this was better after watching a few games)
Quarter length: 10 minutes (gives 130-140 plays per game; real world)

Sliders: CPU/Human
QB accuracy: 35/20 (+/-6% per 10 change slider; consider 45 still but weaker teams are too low)
Pass blocking: 50/50 (pancakes increase but are not recorded by game engine; +/-1 second to pass per 25 points)
WR catching: 40/40 (gives expected 3-4 drops per game)
RB ability: 55/55 (improved tackle shedding and speed improves RB performance)
Run blocking: 55/40 (with lower tackling doesn't need much for the CPU)
--RBlocking Option teams: 80 CPU (seems high but trust me they die otherwise)
Pass coverage: 55/45 (With threshold at 70 this is needed for downfield passing, blown coverage)
Pass rushing: 50/50 (+/- 1 second per 25 change in slider; effects beating blocks not pancakes; increase to 60 helps pressure CPU QB for shorter passes and decreased YPCatch also worse QB %)
Interceptions: 20/35 (gives about 1-2 interceptions per game; Human rarely intercepts now)
Rushing defense 85/40 (adjust outside running 0.8/10pts)
--Option Rush D: 20 Human
Tackling: 40/40
FG power: 15/15 (something changed after tuning now is sometimes short)
FG accuracy: 55/15 (I use 15 for human otherwise I always make it; adjust as needed)
Punt power: 50/0 (gives bettern numbers but this slider is weak)
Punt accuracy: 50/50
Kickoff power: 15/0 (works but too easy for human to get a perfect kick)

Offsides: 85
False start: 100
Facemask: 55
Holding: 50 (Too many holding calls on kickoff and punts, this needs to be fixed EA; almost all penalties are on kicks which is just wrong; however this is the only way to get enough penalty yards)
Clipping: 50 (very common if 55)
Roughing passer: 100
Roughing kicker: 100
Kick interference: 100
Off pass interference: 100
Def pass interference: 100

HINTS FOR MAXIMIZING YOUR GAME:

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Sliders are individual. You may be better at defense or worse at offense. If you cannot get passes off against the pass rush likely you aren't using your dump of reciever. Try to improve your game, but if that fails you can turn down pass rush or turn up pass blocking. Similarly the AI doesn't adapt well to frequent heavy blitzing, you may need to reduce pass rush to 50 if you are getting too many sacks. If you find that consistently things are off for you, adjust the sliders according to the suggestion here to get the best results for yourself. The current settings are those that work best for me and are a good starting point. Look for coaching sliders soon which will fix CPU Run/pass ratios and excessive blitzing.

Click here for Coaching Sliders: I strongly recommend this

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Teamfficeffice" />>>	Run/Pass Slider>>	Defensive aggression slider>>	Team and mascot>>	Coach>>
Air Force>>	17>>	35>>	Air Force Falcons>>	Calhoun, Troy>>
Akron>>	50>>	20>>	Akron Zips>>	Ianello, Rob>>
Alabama>>	39>>	45>>	Alabama Crimson Tide>>	Saban, Nick>>
Arizona>>	54>>	35>>	Arizona State Sun Devils>>	Erickson, Dennis>>
Arizona State>>	56>>	35>>	Arizona Wildcats>>	Stoops, Mike>>
Arkansas>>	56>>	35>>	Arkansas Razorbacks>>	Petrino, Bobby>>
Arkansas State>>	47>>	30>>	Arkansas State Red Wolves>>	Roberts, Steve>>
Army>>	23>>	30>>	Army Black Knights>>	Ellerson, Rich>>
Auburn>>	42>>	40>>	Auburn Tigers>>	Chizik, Gene>>
Ball State>>	46>>	20>>	Ball State Cardinals>>	Parrish, Stan>>
Baylor>>	59>>	20>>	Baylor Bears>>	Briles, Art>>
Boise State>>	48>>	40>>	Boise State Broncos>>	Petersen, Chris>>
Boston College>>	45>>	35>>	Boston College Eagles>>	Spaziani, Frank>>
Bowling Green>>	65>>	30>>	Bowling Green Falcons>>	Clawson, Dave>>
Buffalo>>	50>>	25>>	Buffalo Bulls>>	Quinn, Jeff>>
BYU>>	50>>	35>>	BYU Cougars>>	Mendenhall, Bronco>>
California>>	49>>	35>>	California Golden Bears>>	Tedford, Jeff>>
Central Michigan>>	50>>	30>>	Central Michigan Chippewas>>	Enos, Dan>>
Cincinnati>>	58>>	40>>	Cincinnati Bearcats>>	Jones, Butch>>
Clemson>>	46>>	40>>	Clemson Tigers>>	Swinney, Dabo>>
Colorado>>	61>>	35>>	Colorado Buffaloes>>	Hawkins, Dan>>
Colorado State>>	47>>	30>>	Colorado State Rams>>	Fairchild, Steve>>
Connecticut>>	44>>	35>>	Connecticut Huskies>>	Edsall, Randy>>
Duke>>	63>>	30>>	Duke Blue Devils>>	Cutcliffe, David>>
East Carolina>>	47>>	30>>	East Carolina Pirates>>	McNeil, Ruffin>>
Eastern Michigan>>	47>>	40>>	Eastern Michigan Eagles>>	English, Ron>>
Florida>>	43>>	45>>	Florida >>	Meyer, Urban>>
Florida Atlantic>>	53>>	20>>	Florida Atlantic Owls>>	Schnellenberger, Howard>>
Florida International>>	55>>	30>>	Florida International Golden Panthers>>	Cristobal, Mario>>
Florida State>>	53>>	40>>	Florida State Seminoles>>	Fisher, Jimbo>>
Fresno State>>	39>>	20>>	Fresno State Bulldogs>>	Hill, Pat>>
Georgia>>	45>>	30>>	Georgia Bulldogs>>	Richt, Mark>>
Georgia Tech>>	19>>	35>>	Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets>>	Johnson, Paul>>
Hawaii>>	70>>	35>>	Hawaiʻi Warriors>>	McMackin, Greg>>
Houston>>	67>>	30>>	Houston Cougars>>	Sumlin, Kevin>>
Idaho>>	49>>	20>>	Idaho Vandals>>	Akey, Robb>>
Illinois>>	44>>	25>>	Illinois Fighting Illini>>	Zook, Ron>>
Indiana>>	56>>	35>>	Indiana Hoosiers>>	Lynch, Bill>>
Iowa>>	50>>	45>>	Iowa Hawkeyes>>	Ferentz, Kirk>>
Iowa State>>	44>>	25>>	Iowa State Cyclones>>	Rhoads, Paul>>
Kansas>>	61>>	35>>	Kansas Jayhawks>>	Gill, Turner>>
Kansas State>>	40>>	30>>	Kansas State Wildcats>>	Snyder, Bill>>
Kent State>>	52>>	35>>	Kent State Golden Flashes>>	Martin, Doug>>
Kentucky>>	39>>	30>>	Kentucky Wildcats>>	Phillips, Joker>>
Louisiana Tech>>	42>>	30>>	Louisiana Tech Bulldogs>>	Sonny ****s>>
Louisiana-Lafayette>>	48>>	30>>	Louisiana-Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns>>	Bustle, Rickey>>
Louisiana-Monroe>>	42>>	35>>	Louisiana-Monroe Warhawks>>	Berry, Todd>>
Louisville>>	51>>	35>>	Louisville Cardinals>>	Strong, Charlie>>
LSU>>	48>>	40>>	LSU Tigers>>	Miles, Les>>
Marshall>>	49>>	30>>	Marshall Thundering Herd>>	Holliday, Doc>>
Maryland>>	53>>	35>>	Maryland Terrapins>>	Friedgen, Ralph>>
Memphis>>	50>>	25>>	Memphis Tigers>>	Porter, Larry>>
Miami (Fla.)>>	51>>	45>>	Miami Hurricanes>>	Shannon, Randy>>
Miami (Ohio)>>	67>>	25>>	Miami RedHawks>>	Haywood, Michael>>
Michigan>>	43>>	30>>	Michigan State Spartans>>	Dantonio, Mark>>
Michigan State>>	52>>	30>>	Michigan Wolverines>>	Rodriguez, Rich>>
Middle Tennessee>>	48>>	35>>	Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders>>	Stockstill, Rick>>
Minnesota>>	52>>	30>>	Minnesota Golden Gophers>>	Brewster, Tim>>
Mississippi (Ole Miss)>>	45>>	40>>	Ole Miss Rebels>>	Nutt, Houston>>
Mississippi State>>	35>>	30>>	Mississippi State Bulldogs>>	Mullen, Dan>>
Missouri>>	53>>	35>>	Missouri Tigers>>	Pinkel, Gary>>
Navy>>	14>>	30>>	Navy Midshipmen>>	Niumatalolo, Ken>>
Nebraska>>	44>>	45>>	Nebraska Cornhuskers>>	Pelini, Bo>>
Nevada>>	34>>	35>>	Nevada Wolf Pack>>	Ault, Chris>>
New Mexico>>	61>>	30>>	New Mexico Lobos>>	Locksley, Mike>>
New Mexico State>>	38>>	25>>	New Mexico State Aggies>>	Walker, DeWayne>>
North Carolina>>	47>>	45>>	North Carolina Tar Heels>>	Davis, Butch>>
North Carolina State>>	54>>	30>>	NC State Wolfpack>>	O'Brien, Tom>>
North Texas>>	51>>	20>>	North Texas Mean Green>>	Dodge, Todd>>
Northern Illinois>>	36>>	40>>	Northern Illinois Huskies>>	Kill, Jerry>>
Northwestern>>	54>>	35>>	Northwestern Wildcats>>	Fitzgerald, Pat>>
Notre Dame>>	56>>	35>>	Notre Dame Fighting Irish>>	Kelly, Brian>>
Ohio>>	50>>	30>>	Ohio Bobcats>>	Solich, Frank>>
Ohio State>>	39>>	45>>	Ohio State Buckeyes>>	Tressel, Jim>>
Oklahoma>>	53>>	45>>	Oklahoma Sooners>>	Stoops, Bob>>
Oklahoma State>>	39>>	30>>	Oklahoma State Cowboys>>	Gundy, Mike>>
Oregon>>	40>>	40>>	Oregon Ducks>>	Kelly, Chip>>
Oregon State>>	55>>	35>>	Oregon State Beavers>>	Riley, Mike>>
Penn State>>	48>>	40>>	Penn State Nittany Lions>>	Paterno, Joe>>
Pittsburgh>>	43>>	45>>	Pittsburgh Panthers>>	Wannstedt, Dave>>
Purdue>>	56>>	35>>	Purdue Boilermakers>>	Hope, Danny>>
Rice>>	56>>	25>>	Rice Owls>>	Bailiff, David>>
Rutgers>>	45>>	40>>	Rutgers Scarlet Knights>>	Schiano, Greg>>
San Diego State>>	60>>	25>>	San Diego State Aztecs>>	Hoke, Brady>>
San Jose State>>	58>>	30>>	San José State Spartans>>	MacIntyre, Mike>>
SMU>>	60>>	30>>	SMU Mustangs>>	Jones, June>>
South Carolina>>	54>>	35>>	South Carolina Gamecocks>>	Spurrier, Steve>>
South Florida>>	42>>	35>>	South Florida Bulls>>	Holtz, Skip>>
Southern Mississippi>>	45>>	35>>	Southern Miss Golden Eagles>>	Fedora, Larry>>
Stanford>>	38>>	30>>	Stanford Cardinal>>	Harbaugh, Jim>>
Syracuse>>	49>>	45>>	Syracuse Orange>>	Marrone, Doug>>
TCU>>	37>>	30>>	TCU Horned Frogs>>	Patterson, Gary>>
Temple>>	36>>	35>>	Temple Owls>>	Golden, Al>>
Tennessee>>	48>>	30>>	Tennessee Volunteers>>	Dooley, Derek>>
Texas>>	54>>	45>>	Texas Longhorns>>	Brown, Mack>>
Texas A&M>>	51>>	35>>	Texas A&M Aggies>>	Sherman, Mike>>
Texas Tech>>	71>>	40>>	Texas Tech Red Raiders>>	Tuberville, Tommy>>
Toledo>>	54>>	25>>	Toledo Rockets>>	Beckman, Tim>>
Troy>>	57>>	35>>	Troy Trojans>>	Blakeney, Larry>>
Tulane>>	52>>	20>>	Tulane Green Wave>>	Toledo, Bob>>
Tulsa>>	50>>	35>>	Tulsa Golden Hurricane>>	Graham, Todd>>
UAB>>	41>>	25>>	UAB Blazers>>	Callaway, Neil>>
UCF>>	48>>	40>>	UCF Knights>>	O'Leary, George>>
UCLA>>	54>>	40>>	UCLA Bruins>>	Neuheisel, Rick>>
UNLV>>	54>>	20>>	UNLV Rebels>>	Hauck, Bobby>>
USC>>	49>>	45>>	USC Trojans>>	Kiffin, Lane>>
Utah>>	48>>	40>>	Utah Utes>>	Whittingham, Kyle>>
Utah State>>	47>>	25>>	Utah State Aggies>>	Andersen, Gary>>
UTEP>>	54>>	20>>	UTEP Miners>>	Price, Mike>>
Vanderbilt>>	47>>	30>>	Vanderbilt Commodores>>	Caldwell, Robbie>>
Virginia>>	52>>	35>>	Virginia Cavaliers>>	London, Mike>>
Virginia Tech>>	34>>	45>>	Virginia Tech Hokies>>	Beamer, Frank>>
Wake Forest>>	53>>	35>>	Wake Forest Demon Deacons>>	Grobe, Jim>>
Washington>>	54>>	35>>	Washington Huskies>>	Sarkisian, Steve>>
Washington State>>	59>>	20>>	Washington State Cougars>>	Wulff, Paul>>
West Virginia>>	43>>	40>>	West Virginia Mountaineers>>	Stewart, Bill>>
Western Kentucky>>	46>>	25>>	Western Kentucky Hilltoppers>>	Taggart, Willie>>
Western Michigan>>	63>>	25>>	Western Michigan Broncos>>	Cubit, Bill>>
Wisconsin>>	39>>	45>>	Wisconsin Badgers>>	Bielema, Bret>>
Wyoming>>	49>>	30>>	Wyoming Cowboys>>	Christensen, Dave>>

Click here to review what the defensive aggression slider # mean:

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Def Agg Sliderfficeffice" />>>	% 5 man blitz>>	% 6 man blitz>>
15>>	10%>>	0.0%>>
20>>	13%>>	2.2%>>
25>>	16%>>	4.4%>>
30>>	19%>>	6.6%>>
35>>	22%>>	8.8%>>
40>>	25%>>	11.0%>>
45>>	28%>>	13.2%>>
50>>	31%>>	15.4%>>
55>>	34%>>	17.6%>>
60>>	37%>>	19.8%>>

NFL teams blitz from 3-11% with the majority blitzing around 7-8% of pass plays. A blitz in the NFL is defined as 6 or more rushers. Check out your opponents setting before a game to see how often they rush 5. Then try to keep a blocker at home to prevent sacks or feel free not to if they aren't a blitz heavy team.

HINTS on COACHING Sliders:

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Coaching sliders are only accessible in dynasty. Change the numbers according to the slider settings listed below uncer coaching profile for each team and be sure to save. For a truly NCAA game experience remember that coaches build their game plan around their opponent. Though a team may be primarily run or pass and blitz or non-blitz they adjust to you. I recommend making the below adjustments and before each game alter your opponents sliders in the following way (remember to change back after thee game):

1. Offensive run/pass: If your d is weak against the run all season increase to the run side by 5-10, if your CB are poorly rated and you are weak against the pass increase pass 5-10.

2. Defense run/pass: if your offense is mainly rushing based adjust slider 5-10 to the run side. If your offense is mainly pass based adjust 5-10 to the pass side.

3. Defensive aggression: If your offensive line is very weak adjust aggression up 5 to increase blitzing, I wouldn't really decrease as most teams don't dial down their standard blitz plan unless facing Payton Manning.

4. Adjust your gameplan: Checkout your opponents sliders before a game and consider it a scouting report (they won't follow the sliders exactly). If they love to run. Play the run. If they love to pass pay the pass. If they blitz heavily keep an extra blocker home. This will all simulate real NCAA football strategy. Finally also consider the rating of their defense and offense. If their QB and O-line is weak blitz heavily. If their CB are weak pass deep. If their LB are weak run inside. The point is to scout your opponent and exploit their weaknesses. It will also make the game better if you adjust their sliders to exploit yours as well. Just remember to keep changes 5-10 points of slider change or you may get bizaar results

*If you use these sliders please post your game results in this thread as more information would be helpful. Please report the following:

1. QB % (Hum/CPU)
2. Sacks (Hum/CPU)
3. Int (Hum/CPU)
4. Deflections (Hum/CPU; under player statistics-->defense)
5. Drops (Hum/CPU; under player statistics-->wide reciever)
6. Yards per carry (Hum/CPU);
7. YPC of main HB (Hum/CPU)
8. Tackles for loss (Hum/CPU; under player statistics-->defense)
9. Fumbles (Hum/CPU)
10. Punt yards average (Hum/CPU)
11. Field goal % (Hum/CPU)
12. Penalty yards
13. Total yards per game

[Oraeon1224]

1st test: Pass blocking:

While I am not able to insert graphs here easily I will provide the following information:

It is generally felt that quarterbacks are pressured within 5 seconds

I ran 10 test of every 15 adjustments of the pass-blocking slider against 4 vs 4, 4 vs 5, and 4 vs 6 blitzes

A best fit of the results saw a value of 4 seconds until pressure was applied to the quarterback at a slider setting of 0 pass blocking compared to 7.5 seconds until pressure was applied at a slider setting of 100. It was approximately 5 seconds until pressure was applied to the quarterback at a the default setting of 50 with a range of 3 seconds to 7 seconds at that setting.

With blitzing either 1 or 2 defenders this time drops to 3-4 seconds and has a variation of only 1 second between a setting of 100 and that of 0.

Additonal information: As the pass block slider is increased the number of pancake sacks increases, as the slider decreases these go down significantly

Summary: The default setting is fairly close to expected values. Expect about a 1 second decrease in unpressured time for every 25 reduction in the pass block slider, expect about a 1 second increase in passing time for every 25 increase in the pass block slider. Expect less pancakes if this slider is reduced.

Given the good default value and the effect on pancake blocks I will not adjsut this slider. I will consider adjustment if my teams pancake stats are poor at the end of the year. Can anyone provide pancake states in the NCAA?

[Oraeon1224]

2nd test:

Pass Rush slider: Tested 10 times for every 15pt adjustment to the slider.

Best fit line was sliightly inferior to pass block slider with value of 7 seconds at slider setting of 0 and 4 seconds at slider setting of 100. At default again the quarterback had about 5 seconds against the front four pass rush. Can again expect slightly less than 1 second adustment in quarterback time to throw for every 25 points this slider is adjusted

Additional notes: This slider did not have as big an impact on pancakes and some were seen even at pass rush of 100. This slider also decreased the number of times the quarterback avoided the sack which was quite high on the default with about 1 avoided sack every two times the quarterback was pressured.

My sliders: Though the time to pressure seems good the quarterback avoids a significant number of sacks and after testing at a slider setting of 65 I felt their were no exorbinantly long periods to through, but the overall time was similar to that at a setting of 50. Will try a setting of 65 for this slider (but even up to 75 gave similar average time but decreased silly lengths of time so may adjust further.

[DerkontheOS]

Good work so far.

[Von Dozier]

Nice. Good to see someone testing this stuff.

[chia51]

Great work! Keep it up... looking forward to the rest of your results. As I do the same process when creating my sliders.

[bill2451]

nice work, one thing though... I think its also important to note what difficulty you're playing on, as this will greatly effect your results (I am running similar tests, and the difference between freshman and Heisman is huge... from the looks of it, i'd guess you were on AA)

I haven't done a lot of testing on NCAA yet, but your results seem to coincide w/ my findings of how the Madden sliders worked last year... the Pass Block slider is largely a "suction" slider, the higher the value, the more suction blocking (aka this controls the initial blocking animation and strength, including pancakes, but doesn't have much effect after)... it is important to note however that a high Pass Block slider is more likely to suction into a "strong" blocking animation, which means its harder for the cpu to break free...while the Pass Rush slider controls the cpu's effectiveness at getting off blocks once the blocking animation is triggered (aka once they are engaged in a block) and to a lesser degree effects the strength of the triggered/initial block (why you'll see less pancakes, but you'll still see them even at 100)

in Madden last year, the differences in the sliders functions was very apparent... in NCAA they seem to be more subtle, but again I haven't done much testing yet

if you get the urge and are interested in slider theory, you should check out my Madden thread from last year, as I believe a lot of the principals on how the games apply sliders holds true for both games

anyways, good thread so far... I always like the scientific approach.

[theharbinater]

nice. was hoping you do this again. im willing to help do some tests again, if you need it. just let me know what you're testing and how, and i'll replicate it and give you the results.

just let me know. great job so far.