KingV2k3 / Varsity on AA / Stat Accurate Sliders?

**KingV2k3** · 09-23-2011, 05:26 PM

Re: KingV2k3 / Varsity on AA / Stat Accurate Sliders?

Explanations / Credits / Etc.

Console: PS3

Play Style: Offline Dynasty vs. CPU ONLY

Rosters: Chidefenda (based off Luvs) with SLIGHT AWR bumps (see Gotmadskillz thread) and INJ edits (See Oraeon's Thread)

Overview:

Some of you may recall my "Stat Accurate" slider threads for Madden / PS2.

I "jumped back into the fray" simply because I see a lot of frustration with the title that I haven't experienced the same level of for two reasons:

What I consider to be "reasonable expectation" based on past gaming issues and lot of research here on OS!

This "System" is a result of the influence / research / testing of:

Oraeon: (Head Coach Run / Pass Percentage Edits / HUM INJ Edits / Base Slider Set)

MKHarsh / Playmakers / Armour & Sword: (Gameplan Options / Thresh / Insight

elementz09 / Luvtatha9s: (Luvs roster w / Oraeon's HC Run / Pass Edits / PSN: Chidefenda

SCElite / Clarknoheart: General Testing / Research / AA Comparison Chart

Gotmadskillzson: (AWR Edits)

What am I trying to achieve?

I'm no controller jockey...I don't chain moves together with my HBs, etc...Heck, I'm a lousy FG Kicker!

But I do make solid pre and post snap reads, can find the "open guy" and prefer to have to implement as much "EA Football Strategy" as the game provides.

I'm ALMOST a Varsity player, except I pass too well and I find the CPU does not "push back" hard enough for me on that level. So, instead of trying for a AA feel on Varsity like Harsh and Co., I decided to shoot for a Varsity fell on AA.

Gameplay Options:

Speed: Slow speed feels good to me. Period.

Thresh: Oraeon tested "Fast and 50 Thresh" on AA, but it felt "chaotic" to me. Harsh likes 43 on Varsity. I "split the difference and went with a "very subtle" 48 / Slow on AA and it's working with the sliders, so why change?

HFA: OFF OFF OFF!!! The effects are too exaggerated. Especially in the half empty stadiums of the non AQ Conferences. HFA still seems to exist when set to "off", but with it on, it was a "slider killer" for me. I (usually) win the games Herbstreit picks me for, (usually) lose the ones he doesn't and have had about a 25 percent "ESPN Classic" ratio. The upsets are few and the blowouts are super rare.

Penalties: Always off, but this is as close as it gets for me. I have seen DPI (once). It is what is is.

QBA: 30 for human makes my Freshman 84 ACC QB play just like that. Solid underneath the coverage, and losts of overthrows on deeper balls. 35 for the CPU has made QBs with ACC under 80 have 50% outings and lots of overthrows. Case Keenum, however, lit me up for 5 hundo. Works for me.

PBK: At 55, SOMEONE may pick up a blitz. Below that, forget it. Higher than that? Both OLs become too physically strong.

CTH: You want 3-5 drops, but setting it too low eliminates all the cool catch animations. There's also a "Cause and effect" here with the tackle slider, so there's a balance there or they'll blast the ball out of a high "catch in traffic" guy. Know who is prone to drops and who's not, to help determine this setting. Although I'm using "conservative catching" in gameplay options, (and have my setting at 45) I'm getting the right drops by the right guys at the right times.

RBA: ALWAYS 50 for me. 45 makes 'em slow and tenative, 55 means their "break tackle" sets off a domino effect and there's no fumbles. Too many critical attributes tied into this one slider.

RBK: Depends on your scheme. If it's Air Raid, R&S, Pistol, One Back or Spread you may want roll with default 50 for HUM. I use Air Raid, so any less than 45 or 50 and the pulling guards get stupid. At 55 the WRs turn into TEs. I use 55 for CPU, because it makes the "regular" run game a lttle "too good" to make up for the inconsistency with the option. And at 55, they may execute the option on occasion.

PSD: 5/10. Yes...that low. Limits all the BS that the super tuned DBs and LBs got this year. I still see the desired 3-6 "passes defended" and the pass stats are right. As the human player, get comfortable with the "commit to the pass" option (L2 / R Stick UP) if it's an obvious passing situation that will help. If you think they may scramble or draw, "commit" with a spy to defend the run or you can get roasted. There's blown coverages (hey, college ballers) on both sides. Versus CPU there's an open guy. But with the pass rush set at 50 you'll have about a second less than IRL to find him.

PRS: Yeah, any lower and my 86 STR user controlled RDT get pancaked and suctioned. At 50, it happens, but not as much. Not ideal, but solid stats. CPU rush can be HOTT. Know you pre reads and hot reads.

INT: 30 seems to be as close as it gets for drops versus the occasional "one hand stab" from a 66 OVR CPU DT in zone. 1-3 per game, depending on your reads and the CPU QB ratings.

RSD: 5/10 became the "sweet spot" for me. About 4-8 tackles for loss, nice range of runs for both sides of the ball. Lower and they didn't "close" on the second level. higher and it was blown up in the backfield too often.

TCK: 15-20 means they'll be a decent amount of broken tackles, some nice twisting animations where the ball carrier falls forward instead of the "hit by a brick wall" thing. Also help keep the WRs from having the CTH blown up too often. Little guys can't stonewall big guys on this setting. They need to wrap up and hope that the RSD slider brings them help.

Gameplan Options: Cribbed from MKHarsh. Conservative Catch helps Hum WRs hang on to ball in traffic, but also cuts down on "slant to the house". Option D set to conservative helps the CPU run the option by focusing on the QB and not the pitch man. Not perfect, still gets blown up too often, but MSU racked up 300+ on the ground using it against me, so the elites will pull it off, the rest drop off quick.

Special Teams cribbed intact from Oraeon / Slider Consensus

Sounds: It's too stale. I lowered the play by play and jacked everything else, so it gets drowned out by the crowd or band when things get rockin'

Personal Play Style: As I said, I'm no controller jockey. I make really great pre and post snap reads, audible a lot, use hot routes...ALL of it. On D, I play as RDT and "rarely" switch. The switching system has been getting less accurate over the years, so if you button mash on D, you're just making things worse anyway. I do like an occasional user pick / swat / tackle though.

I always pick teams with Freshmen or Sophomore QBs, from non AQ Conferences to play their "career" as...last year, it was Padron at SMU. This year, it was Smith at Wyoming and now I've settled in with Isham at LaTech. I always run schemes that are particular to NCAA ball. I play Madden (later in the fall / winter) so I don't roll with Pro Set or Top 25 teams...

These sliders have NEVER been tested for that, so who know if they work under those conditions.

Final thoughts: I didn't want to do a slider thread, because as the dudes who do will attest, it's a lot of work to host properly. I hope these help similar level players, but know form experience, they are NOT going to be for most.

Questions / Comments?

Happy Gaming!

**pbtiger** · 09-28-2011, 08:15 PM

Re: KingV2k3 / Varsity on AA / Stat Accurate Sliders?

I was a little skeptical at first due to some of the low defensive settings, but these are a very good base set. In fact, in some practice games I found them to be quite challenging to move the ball consistently against the CPU. I also saw an 11 play drive by the CPU (drive started at their 9) that resulted in a punt. They play exactly like you state. The running game has a nice mixture of plays, and you certainly do not have all day to stand in the pocket to throw. I found myself taking a sack right as I came off my primary to find an open receiver or in some instances flat out missing the throw to the WR due to being too late on the read.

I may make a few minor tweaks from your base set, but these were a lot of fun to play with. I run a spread offense so these help with cutting down much of the frustration of psychic DBs and LBs. I agree with you that a traditional pro/I player might need to up the Rush D to keep from gashing the CPU up the middle.

All in all, thanks for posting these.

**KingV2k3** · 09-28-2011, 11:19 PM

Re: KingV2k3 / Varsity on AA / Stat Accurate Sliders?

Originally posted by pbtiger

I was a little skeptical at first due to some of the low defensive settings, but these are a very good base set. In fact, in some practice games I found them to be quite challenging to move the ball consistently against the CPU. I also saw an 11 play drive by the CPU (drive started at their 9) that resulted in a punt. They play exactly like you state. The running game has a nice mixture of plays, and you certainly do not have all day to stand in the pocket to throw. I found myself taking a sack right as I came off my primary to find an open receiver or in some instances flat out missing the throw to the WR due to being too late on the read.

I may make a few minor tweaks from your base set, but these were a lot of fun to play with. I run a spread offense so these help with cutting down much of the frustration of psychic DBs and LBs. I agree with you that a traditional pro/I player might need to up the Rush D to keep from gashing the CPU up the middle.

All in all, thanks for posting these.

Hey!

Thanks for taking the plunge...

These have been up for nearly a week, have gotten a decent amount of views, but no "takers" until now...

Your observations are right on the $$$, they are (like any slider set) a base to tweak according to play style and skill level, as well as team / scheme...

I'm in my third season overall and can still claim accurate stats, realistic results and about a 25% ESPN Classic ratio, so I'm very happy to see that you're also "seeing what I'm seeing", at least to some degree...

I run out of 4 wide most of the time (45 Base, Delays, Draws) and my teams don't even carry a FB on the roster, so these are tailored accordingly...

As far as passing goes, yeah you need to get the ball out and make the right read pretty instantly...not unlike real life...

I suggest calling audibles to keep a HB in to pick up the blitz and shift your O line to block to the opposite side of where he's lined up...

That's essential for the deeper passes...

When I watch replays, my QB is almost always on his butt on completed pass plays...you have to be willing to "stand tall in the pocket" and risk the sack or an altered throw...

My biggest remaining gripe is the fact that any HB can turn into a super human power back and break / shed 3-5 tackles on any given play a few times a game...that's a known attribute problem...

Raising the tackle slider doesn't help, because then it's out of wack for the other 117 (or so) plays from scrimmage...

Some things sliders can't fix...

Still, until roster edits become the next frontier for me, this set continues to bring me solid gameplay...

I'm glad that you're having a good experience with them as well...

Thanks again for your interest and insights...

Happy gaming!

**NeverEnough** · 09-29-2011, 12:50 AM

Re: KingV2k3 / Varsity on AA / Stat Accurate Sliders?

I've been having a tough time finding a slider set that worked for me, mostly because I've been blowing teams out of the water. With your set I find you definitely have to make the right read or you'll end up throwing a pick.

I play as Washington and had a rough game vs Hawaii getting beat 27-41, but then came back and lost in the last seconds to a ranked Nebraska team 38-35. The pass game seems to be good, Polk went 24 att for 159 yds against NEB and 18 att for 161 yds

All in all I've been seeing some good results and good competition

**KingV2k3** · 09-29-2011, 01:19 AM

Re: KingV2k3 / Varsity on AA / Stat Accurate Sliders?

Originally posted by NeverEnough

I've been having a tough time finding a slider set that worked for me, mostly because I've been blowing teams out of the water. With your set I find you definitely have to make the right read or you'll end up throwing a pick.

I play as Washington and had a rough game vs Hawaii getting beat 27-41, but then came back and lost in the last seconds to a ranked Nebraska team 38-35. The pass game seems to be good, Polk went 24 att for 159 yds against NEB and 18 att for 161 yds

All in all I've been seeing some good results and good competition

Good to hear they're working for you...thanks for trying them out!

I've played Hawaii a couple times w LA Tech and Moniz can be tough to slow down, as are any of the top guys...Case Keenum is always a headache...

With your pass D slider set so low, you pretty much HAVE to hit L2 /R3 UP to "commit to the pass" and / or be very adept at the L1 Swat...

Thankfully the pass happy teams rarely decide to run, so I prefer to get hit up for a few 10 yard draws then have them continuously torch my already suspect secondary...

Nebraska, on the other hand racked up the BIG rush yards on me, as did Miss St., Ole Miss and Nevada...

I like the fact that the CPU teams play the way they should (Oraeon's Coach Sliders edited into roster) and do what they're supposed to do well, quite well...

Even the CPU's option plays work well enough, often enough...MKHarsh's tip about game plan options that cause your run D to overplay the QB are essential to make that happen...

Anyway, thanks for your insights and for giving the set a chance...

**basebalp21** · 09-30-2011, 07:22 AM

Re: KingV2k3 / Varsity on AA / Stat Accurate Sliders?

I like the sliders. Just one problem is that in my Western Kentucky Dynasty I am 4-1 with a close loss to Kentucky. This is playing the default schedule.

**Herky** · 09-30-2011, 08:49 AM

Re: KingV2k3 / Varsity on AA / Stat Accurate Sliders?

Tried these out with my Iowa dynasty and they felt pretty good. I did run like crazy and had close to 300 yards on the ground. I was playing a 1-AA school so that might have been why but there were massive holes to run through all game.

Iowa State is up next on my schedule. We'll see if running gets harder.

**pbtiger** · 09-30-2011, 11:05 AM

Re: KingV2k3 / Varsity on AA / Stat Accurate Sliders?

Originally posted by basebalp21

I like the sliders. Just one problem is that in my Western Kentucky Dynasty I am 4-1 with a close loss to Kentucky. This is playing the default schedule.

What kind of games are you having? Are the games close, high scoring, blowouts, etc? How is your offense compared to the CPU?

**pbtiger** · 09-30-2011, 11:11 AM

Re: KingV2k3 / Varsity on AA / Stat Accurate Sliders?

Originally posted by Herky

Tried these out with my Iowa dynasty and they felt pretty good. I did run like crazy and had close to 300 yards on the ground. I was playing a 1-AA school so that might have been why but there were massive holes to run through all game.

Iowa State is up next on my schedule. We'll see if running gets harder.

Does Iowa run a pretty conventional offense? As King stated and I can vouch for, these sliders work well with Air Raid/Spread/Option offenses. The rush D is a little under powered for conventional offenses so that could impact your output. However, 300 yds against an 1-AA team is not unrealistic. Heck, Pittsburgh put up those numbers against So Florida last night. Very interested to hear how your game with Iowa State goes.

**KingV2k3** · 09-30-2011, 08:48 PM

Re: KingV2k3 / Varsity on AA / Stat Accurate Sliders?

Originally posted by pbtiger

What kind of games are you having? Are the games close, high scoring, blowouts, etc? How is your offense compared to the CPU?

Yeah, I agree w/ pbtiger, there's not much info to go on here...

Teams CAN play above rating with these (or any) sliders if you are, for instance, a more skilled QB than the one you are controlling...

Intriguing...

Western Kentucky, I believe, runs a Pro Set which can be easier to run with on these sliders...

I also see that based on their "real life" scores, their defense isn't that solid...

Are you getting results that mirror any of that?

Originally posted by pbtiger

Does Iowa run a pretty conventional offense? As King stated and I can vouch for, these sliders work well with Air Raid/Spread/Option offenses. The rush D is a little under powered for conventional offenses so that could impact your output. However, 300 yds against an 1-AA team is not unrealistic. Heck, Pittsburgh put up those numbers against So Florida last night. Very interested to hear how your game with Iowa State goes.

I believe Iowa runs a Pro set, which will rack up the yards on these sliders for exactly the reasons, both pbtiger and I mentioned...

If you continue to see outrageous numbers for you in the run game, but like the set otherwise, simply add increments of 5 to CPU Rush D until satisfied...

I would not dumb down your blocking or add more than 5 to the CPU tackle slider or it'll set off a domino effect in other areas...

Lastly, I no longer even play the FCS games in dynasty (I swap them out for very low rated teams from Division 1A) because they are "slider killers"...

The gameplay is so wack and inconsistent that they make me question when I have a solid set in place...

That being said, 300 yards rushing in this matchup, doesn't seem too outlandish to me...

Lastly: Thanks to both basebalp21 and Herky for trying them out and offering feedback...

And, as usual, thanks to pbtiger, who has a solid handle on what we're trying to get out of this set...

**basebalp21** · 09-30-2011, 10:48 PM

Re: KingV2k3 / Varsity on AA / Stat Accurate Sliders?

I run a mostly inside run playbook as an Offensive Coordinator.
I lost to Kentucky 24-13
Beat Navy 38-13 with about 500 rushing yards.
Beat FCS MW 38-21 with 600 rushing yards.
Beat Arkansas State 38-17 with 400 rushing yards
Beat Middle Tennessee State 21-6 with 400 rushing yards
Beat Florida Atlantic 21-13 with 350 rushing yards
Lost to Louisiana Lafayette 28-14 with 200 rushing yards
Beat Louisiana Monroe 42-17 with 500 rushing yards
My running back has 1800 yards rushing and is second in hiesman voting.

**KingV2k3** · 10-01-2011, 01:19 AM

Re: KingV2k3 / Varsity on AA / Stat Accurate Sliders?

Originally posted by basebalp21

I run a mostly inside run playbook as an Offensive Coordinator.
I lost to Kentucky 24-13
Beat Navy 38-13 with about 500 rushing yards.
Beat FCS MW 38-21 with 600 rushing yards.
Beat Arkansas State 38-17 with 400 rushing yards
Beat Middle Tennessee State 21-6 with 400 rushing yards
Beat Florida Atlantic 21-13 with 350 rushing yards
Lost to Louisiana Lafayette 28-14 with 200 rushing yards
Beat Louisiana Monroe 42-17 with 500 rushing yards
My running back has 1800 yards rushing and is second in hiesman voting.

Yup...as advertised these were set up for teams the have no FB, rarely use a TE and run out of multi receiver sets...

All I can suggest to slow down your run game success is raising the CPU's run sliders in increments of five until you see what you want, statistically...

Maybe bump up the CPU tackle slider if you see an unrealistic amount of broken tackles, when compared to your conference and NCAA totals...

Seems like a very tweak friendly issue...

IF, of course, you like the way the others phases of the game are playing out with these...

Thanks for the stats...

**Herky** · 10-01-2011, 12:39 PM

Re: KingV2k3 / Varsity on AA / Stat Accurate Sliders?

Originally posted by pbtiger

Does Iowa run a pretty conventional offense? As King stated and I can vouch for, these sliders work well with Air Raid/Spread/Option offenses. The rush D is a little under powered for conventional offenses so that could impact your output. However, 300 yds against an 1-AA team is not unrealistic. Heck, Pittsburgh put up those numbers against So Florida last night. Very interested to hear how your game with Iowa State goes.

Iowa runs a pro style offense.

Took care of Iowa State 45-27. I was down 10-0 early, and then I got conservative in the 4th and Iowa State outscored me 14-0 in the 4th. The holes weren't as big or as consistent and I had 41 carries for 151 yard. Was 11-22 passing for 218 and 4 scores.

I think the running game will be OK. This wasn't as easy to run as the last game even though I went conservative for my gameplans in the 4th on offense.

One thing I noticed was that were was 4 roughing the passer calls in the game. I think I'll knock it down to 54 and see if that cuts them down.

Overall it felt pretty solid.

**KingV2k3** · 10-01-2011, 03:56 PM

Re: KingV2k3 / Varsity on AA / Stat Accurate Sliders?

Originally posted by Herky

Iowa runs a pro style offense.

Took care of Iowa State 45-27. I was down 10-0 early, and then I got conservative in the 4th and Iowa State outscored me 14-0 in the 4th. The holes weren't as big or as consistent and I had 41 carries for 151 yard. Was 11-22 passing for 218 and 4 scores.

I think the running game will be OK. This wasn't as easy to run as the last game even though I went conservative for my gameplans in the 4th on offense.

One thing I noticed was that were was 4 roughing the passer calls in the game. I think I'll knock it down to 54 and see if that cuts them down.

Overall it felt pretty solid.

Run stats look solid...

I raised the "Roughing" from 54 to 55 to replace DPI (which is called about once per season)...

At 54, it NEVER got called for me...56? That was TOO much...

I see about 3-4 total per game...

One will get called on my used controlled RDT per game, one of my DE's is good for another (AI controlled) and the CPU gets hit up for about one (rarely two)...

Also helps keep me from having the fewest penalties per season in the NCAA...

The other adjusted penalty sliders seem to be right where they should be and the ones that are maxed out pretty much never get called...

Some games the holds and false starts get called so often that I get tempted to adjust them, then don't...only to see them almost never get called in the next game...

These seem to average out well...

Still and all, it's YOUR game, Herky...

Tweak away and most of all...have fun!

Thanks for the feedback...

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