coaching sliders=fixed screen issue/deep ball issue

[Kramer5150]

well,finished my game with Boise St,to be honest not sure what to think at this point. I'll give up some stats,then list a few things I noticed.

Boise State Broncos at Express
Jan 1,	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	SCORE
Boise State Broncos ()	14	7	0	7	28
Express ()	7	14	0	14	35

Team Stats Comparison
	BSU
Total Offense	300	351
Rushing Yards	3	160
Passing Yards	297	191
First Downs	7	15
Punt Return Yards	0	25
Kick Return Yards	129	43
Total Yards	429	419
Turnovers	3	2
3rd Down Converstion	3-11	4-11
4th Down Conversion	0	0
2-Point Conversion	0	0
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	2-1-0	5-4-0
Penalties	2-20	7-60
Posession Time	12:21	19:39

Boise State Broncos PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Southwick 9/20 297 2 3 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Harper 12 28 2.3 1 Southwick 7 -33 -4.7 0 Wright 3 9 3.0 0 Miller 1 -1 -1.0 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD Burroughs 3 79 26.3 1 Harper 2 6 3.0 0 Sosnowski 1 80 80 1 Moore 1 46 46.0 0 Potter 1 26 26.0 0 Miller 1 60 60.0 0

Express PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Perkins 14/23 191 1 1 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Barnes 34 176 5.1 3 Perkins 2 -15 -7.5 0 McDonald 1 -1 0 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD McDaniel 7 92 13.1 1 James 3 36 12.0 0 Gary 3 48 16.0 0 Childress 1 15 15.0 0

As you can see,all of Boise's plays came off of long passes,they really made no attempt to work the underneath at all. Also their running game was non existent.
I was still able to sack their qb 4 times,only 1 of those times being on a screen pass however. Their defense blitzed me like crazy,so I didn't really notice a difference there,also there pass coverage was just pure garbage at times....after watching several replays,I noticed neither the corner or safety making any attempt at the ball or receiver until AFTER my receiver caught the ball.

So yea,don't know if I'm sold on this just quite yet,I will try another game though,because I do want to keep an open mind about it.

[authentic]

Quote: Originally Posted by CowherPower

well,finished my game with Boise St,to be honest not sure what to think at this point. I'll give up some stats,then list a few things I noticed. Boise State Broncos at Express Jan 1, 1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH SCORE Boise State Broncos () 14 7 0 7 28 Express () 7 14 0 14 35 Team Stats Comparison BSU Total Offense 300 351 Rushing Yards 3 160 Passing Yards 297 191 First Downs 7 15 Punt Return Yards 0 25 Kick Return Yards 129 43 Total Yards 429 419 Turnovers 3 2 3rd Down Converstion 3-11 4-11 4th Down Conversion 0 0 2-Point Conversion 0 0 Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals 2-1-0 5-4-0 Penalties 2-20 7-60 Posession Time 12:21 19:39 Boise State Broncos PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Southwick 9/20 297 2 3 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Harper 12 28 2.3 1 Southwick 7 -33 -4.7 0 Wright 3 9 3.0 0 Miller 1 -1 -1.0 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD Burroughs 3 79 26.3 1 Harper 2 6 3.0 0 Sosnowski 1 80 80 1 Moore 1 46 46.0 0 Potter 1 26 26.0 0 Miller 1 60 60.0 0 Express PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Perkins 14/23 191 1 1 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Barnes 34 176 5.1 3 Perkins 2 -15 -7.5 0 McDonald 1 -1 0 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD McDaniel 7 92 13.1 1 James 3 36 12.0 0 Gary 3 48 16.0 0 Childress 1 15 15.0 0 As you can see,all of Boise's plays came off of long passes,they really made no attempt to work the underneath at all. Also their running game was non existent. I was still able to sack their qb 4 times,only 1 of those times being on a screen pass however. Their defense blitzed me like crazy,so I didn't really notice a difference there,also there pass coverage was just pure garbage at times....after watching several replays,I noticed neither the corner or safety making any attempt at the ball or receiver until AFTER my receiver caught the ball. So yea,don't know if I'm sold on this just quite yet,I will try another game though,because I do want to keep an open mind about it.

Kramer, I was feeling the same thing. I really think the way we had it originally is correct in theory, because in my test Dynasty, QB's were just awful, yet all had 10+ yards per completion and some had really bad completion percentages. I think the reason the CPU is quicker on screens is because the aggresiveness slider is so high. Also, I noticed the CPU quarterbacks were releasing the ball almost instantly sometimes.

Once I let all the rude comments that I recieved go, I went in with a very open mind. I really wanted this to work, but I'm still not sold.

It's interesting that you mention CPU backs not playing the ball until you catch it, because I experienced the same thing a couple times as well in one game.

[Chedapalooza]

Quote: Originally Posted by authentic

Sometimes having an iPhone is great, sometimes it's bad. I can't send my video anywhere because it's too "big". The main points in my video is how surprised I was with the changes. I was wrong, cheda was right, caught me at the wrong time. I inputted all the data and am simming a season right now. Hopefully it goes well so we won't need to go changing before and after every user game, and because I want to use them in my single player OD.

no harm no foul. i was very bitchy as well lol. i actualy took my vids on am i phone and encountered that issue.. so wat i did was synced my phone to my laptop and imported the videos... started a youtube account and boom. easy as pie.. i was shocked i was able to do it bc i dont even use a friggin i pod.. still rockin cd's like a tru 80s baby.

awaiting sim results with the sliders changed up.. changing them is a huge pain.. i play half way thru one qtr and the cpu was throwing mad screens, i was like omfg im WRONG .. then i realized i forgot to change them

[Chedapalooza]

hm. just saw the other posts and stuff above. im not sure what to think.

i did admit in a previous post that it wasnt a cure all- thre was still SOME sloppy db play.. i think at this poiont, its VERY slider dependent.. im using close to default settings on heisman and not controlling a single player (but not playing in coach mode) so my results have all been AI generated... i have yet to have my qb or cpu qb pass under 50% completion.

when i had qb acc at 100 and pcv at 100, i saw guys throwing 80-90% into the 4th qtr, then a few forced passes/drops knocked them down into the 70s.. perhaps the qb acc slider needs some juice.. and compensate with an equal pass coverage.. most of my testing was done with pass coverage slider at 100 on top of the changes (resversal)

i have also seen 8hb screen and 4 wr screen total in 6 test games now.. and not one sack off them...
so as i said, i think its slider and threshold dependent..

[Kramer5150]

Quote: Originally Posted by authentic

Kramer, I was feeling the same thing. I really think the way we had it originally is correct in theory, because in my test Dynasty, QB's were just awful, yet all had 10+ yards per completion and some had really bad completion percentages. I think the reason the CPU is quicker on screens is because the aggresiveness slider is so high. Also, I noticed the CPU quarterbacks were releasing the ball almost instantly sometimes. Once I let all the rude comments that I recieved go, I went in with a very open mind. I really wanted this to work, but I'm still not sold. It's interesting that you mention CPU backs not playing the ball until you catch it, because I experienced the same thing a couple times as well in one game.

Going to try my next game here against Miami of Ohio with the changes,we'll see how this one goes.

[Chedapalooza]

Quote: Originally Posted by authentic

Kramer, I was feeling the same thing. I really think the way we had it originally is correct in theory, because in my test Dynasty, QB's were just awful, yet all had 10+ yards per completion and some had really bad completion percentages. I think the reason the CPU is quicker on screens is because the aggresiveness slider is so high. Also, I noticed the CPU quarterbacks were releasing the ball almost instantly sometimes. Once I let all the rude comments that I recieved go, I went in with a very open mind. I really wanted this to work, but I'm still not sold. It's interesting that you mention CPU backs not playing the ball until you catch it, because I experienced the same thing a couple times as well in one game.

i saw flashes of this, but nothing nearly as glaring as default or the first set of coach sliders...

this was more like "oh he just got beat" rather than "here we go again.."

in my experiences the cpu has had no issues checking down as well as taking the occasional surprise deep shot..
just trying to think of any variables we might have with our rosters or sliders at this point

im heading to bed though, i hope i dot dream about this crap again. i wake up seeing sliders burned into my eyes

[Chedapalooza]

maybe these wont work for user controlled games, maybe we are just too smart for the cpu at its current ability level regarding the deep ball

maybe they weont work for drastically altered game sliders.. all i know it my testing sliders have been either at 50 or 100. slow speed, zero thresh, heisman. auto pass, regular game mode, no user control after the snap.. so my results are ai generated.

the whole issue with different gamer styles will still apply here just like with any type of slider set. hopefully theres some positive feeback in the am. i too am off tomorrow and should be able to get into once i wake up

[JHusker13]

IMO the first set of coach sliders Arky released were great. Realistic completion percentages, less upsets in dynasty, etc.