Perfecting the College Atmosphere - Part I: The Broadcast

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  • jwilphl
    Legal Advisor
    • Jun 2009
    • 1499

    #1

    Perfecting the College Atmosphere - Part I: The Broadcast

    Now that EA is trying to work more with the ESPN license and improve what they consider true college atmosphere, I think a topic is in order to expand upon what the consumers think makes the "perfect" atmosphere for a college football game.

    To start, let's discuss on the most superficial level, and that is the broadcast. How things look and sound while you are playing or watching a game.

    First of all, in order to rate how well EA has done with their presentation, one should watch an actual game broadcast to draw comparisons. Even perusing clips from actual games you can easily tell things are askew.

    Since this is the first year it seems that they are actually attempting to improve in this department, I suppose it isn't fair to expect too much. I will, however, be speaking in terms as if EA is going for a genuine TV broadcast, which you have to assume is what they hope to achieve. Realism has a lot to do with how immersive an environment is. If it doesn't feel, look, or sound realistic, chances are lower that the individual will actually become immersed in the environment. Instead they will detach and feel alienated at the lack of said realism.

    To draw from another game, NCAA Basketball used two commentary teams and essentially two entirely different presentation packages which really helped things stay fresh and vibrant. The packages were also handled very well and played out much like a TV broadcast. These were probably the high-point of that game, sadly. NCAA Football could learn a good deal just from swapping ideas with the other development team, but their best bet would just be to sit down and watch TV broadcasts and go from there.

    NCAA 11:
    The presentation is simple. Fancy 3D graphics at the introduction of the game, as well as a 3D "scoreboard" used at post-quarter, halftime, and post-game intervals. Some of these graphics can be seen on ESPN, lending to the whole "ESPN integration." Some of the basics, however, are still missing. An actual ESPN score overlay (the graphics on the screen showing the game score, time, etc.) is not in the game. A fairly simple graphical replacement would be in order. No ticker, either, even only if it popped up on occasion. Instead there is nothing. There are no other ESPN-like graphics, either, including statistic overlays, player displays, schedule rundowns, and so forth. There are very limited statistical and factual pop-ups throughout the game, in general. This is merely the first misstep, but can easily be rectified.

    The sound
    is the second misstep, and most likely the first or second to be noticed. This includes the out-dated commentary. In all fairness to Brad and Kirk, even Lee before '11, they are good commentators. We have, however, been hearing them for a decade now? I'm not sure exactly which iteration was their first in the franchise. It has been many years of them and their very similar-sounding chatter, and I think it is time for a change. Perhaps bring in some other ESPN talent to split time with these guys, or use one or two different teams altogether, and save the Nessler/Herbstreit/Corso tandem for other things, like highlight bits or wrap-up shows or the like. An increase in commentary depth is most likely also in order, as well as fixing of many bugs that have plagued the press-box talk for years.

    Aside from the commentary, the crowd sounds are probably the second most irritating and disappointing aspect in the audio department. The cuts to small sections of fans at a game are nice to look at, as those characters are well rendered, but does it look like a crowd (or even a small section of crowd) at a college game? Of course not. These fans barely act excited, much less like [probably intoxicated] college students. The sound levels just aren't there even during these cuts. It almost sounds like three or four people clapping, whooping, talking, and hardly audible. Where is the yelling, the roar of the crowd? That entirely immersive experience that exists during an actual game?

    One of the most obvious fixes for this issue is adding in "student sections" for the D1 programs, as well as team-specific chants. However, the depth of sound needs to be there. It should sound like tens of thousands of people being excited in unison, and not just a couple of people standing on a field somewhere recording audio. That roar needs to happen at specific times and increase exponentially in others, as well. Certainly there are times when a stadium will not be as loud. It won't run at the same decibel level all game (unless vuvuzelas are present). Big plays, kickoff, momentum changes, et cetera should all receive appropriate crowd reactions and sound depth.

    Once you strip away the sights and sounds, what is left to the broadcast? Well, not much. Those are the backbones of the whole show. Those are the two key ingredients. That is why they both have to be spot on. If either is miscalculated, you end up falling flat, losing a sense of realism and true immersion.

    What else does the presentation need? Again, the basics come into play. It doesn't take anything revolutionary from a creative standpoint. A lot of this is monkey see, monkey do. A mock version of Gameday would be a huge leap, and would likely require a good deal of innovation. Pre-game, halftime, and post-game shows have been achieved before, so they are doable. Those would certainly help the overall appeal. Player & coach interviews, rowdy college campuses and fans chomping at the bit (even storming the field in some cases), and all those little details that go into a broadcast would extend the reach of the game further, almost blurring the lines between virtual and reality.

    I commend EA on making their first effort. That shows progress and willingness to change. Is it great, or even satisfactory for that matter? I wouldn't say so, but it will take work to achieve greatness, or a near-perfect emulation, as it were.

    What do you think can be done to improve the broadcast & presentation?

    My apologies for any typos or errors. I am tired at this point. Let us discuss!
  • $D-Money$
    Banned
    • May 2010
    • 235

    #2
    Re: Perfecting the College Atmosphere - Part I: The Broadcast

    Read the whole thing, couldn't agree more. I was excited with the ESPN presentation this year after I saw what was done with NCAA Basketball, however I feel EA completely missed the mark with the football series. Claiming that they meant to go "beyond broadcast" is just ridiculous. I have never wanted to play a sports game that wasn't exactly how I viewed sports on TV. Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD.

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    • mmorg
      MVP
      • Jul 2004
      • 2304

      #3
      Re: Perfecting the College Atmosphere - Part I: The Broadcast

      Yeah when I played my first game I heard Brad Nessler say, "and now the offense takes the field", after the opening kickoff and I was so disappointed when it didn't bring up a break down of the offenses starting line-up with graphics and everything. I really hope they add something like that next year.
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      • twigstudios
        Rookie
        • Jun 2009
        • 242

        #4
        Re: Perfecting the College Atmosphere - Part I: The Broadcast

        I completely agree. The crowds and commentary are atrocious. Sure Corso is gone but Brad and Kirk are saying the same boring stuff. The crowd is flat and unrealistic. And the home stadium should be LOUD! Your team could be up by 20 or down by 20 and the crowd still sounds the same. I wish EA would incorporate some of NCAA Basketball 10, MLB 10 The show and NFL@2K5 presentation with multiple commentators, halftime shows, better animated crowds and such. Or better yet bring back some NCAA 06 with the Gameday booth and add Chris Fowler & Desmond Howard.
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        • mrMagic91
          Banned
          • Apr 2010
          • 1108

          #5
          Re: Perfecting the College Atmosphere - Part I: The Broadcast

          EA made their own version of Saturday football on ESPN and its real corny. I would love to see gameday and all of the things you said.

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          • Fizzer
            Rookie
            • Jul 2010
            • 14

            #6
            Re: Perfecting the College Atmosphere - Part I: The Broadcast

            I couldn't agree more. EA needs to realize that accurate broadcast replication is the end game. They still have a ways to go, though I do appreciate that they've finally taken the first step.

            I started a post about this a while back as well. And everything discussed in that post are apropos to this one:

            http://www.operationsports.com/vBull...sentation.html

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            • Mbalmer
              Pro
              • Jul 2008
              • 727

              #7
              Re: Perfecting the College Atmosphere - Part I: The Broadcast

              The biggest thing that EA could do to make the game look like a broadcast would be to give us a camera angle like you see while watching football. That is the number 1 reason this game doesn't look like a broadcast. Sure the stat overlays or "score box" could look different etc., but the most important feature would be to let us play from a broadcast view.
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              • OhiO x CaNeS
                Rookie
                • Jul 2010
                • 10

                #8
                Re: Perfecting the College Atmosphere - Part I: The Broadcast

                I agree with everyone. Having the GameDay feel to it would be great! I would also like them to incorporate the SEC on CBS type thing with those 2 commentators. I have no idea why Brent Mussberger isn't in the game yet! The last, and best, wish is to SEE Erin Andrews in this game! Yes I know she is "seeable" in Road to Glory Mode, but that's nothing great. I do however enjoy this game...

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                • jwilphl
                  Legal Advisor
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 1499

                  #9
                  Re: Perfecting the College Atmosphere - Part I: The Broadcast

                  Everyone makes good points. I feel as though they were somewhat deceiving in advertising the presentation aspects of the game, however.

                  If you strip it down in simplest terms, essentially all they added was team entrances and those clunky 3D graphics that look nice but don't really do much. Yes this was the first step, and that's fine if for whatever reason they couldn't accomplish more (even though other games have been able to), its just the overall presentation is very hollow.

                  There is also no variation to pre-game or post-game, and absolutely nothing at half-time. A good deal of this is the commentary, which really drags down the whole experience, as well as the sound department, in general. But all-in-all, there wasn't a great deal added to make this feel like an actual television broadcast.

                  Pre-game in its current state:
                  - "Gameday" visual with teams' logos involved in the matchup
                  - Brief talk about one player from one of the teams involved
                  - Some flimsy fan shots
                  - Home team entrance
                  - Coin flip

                  Post-game:
                  - Winning team celebrates like they won the superbowl even after minor games
                  - Losing team trudges off, usually shot of single player looking defeated
                  - Nessler mentions the win and some weird audio with Herbstreit comes in which seems out of place and clunky, plus all stadium noises vanish mysteriously
                  - Nessler mentions something about the losing team being losers

                  Fizzer: you made some great points in your (now closed) topic. The whole package is just awkwardly put together and was possibly even sort of a rushed deal towards the end of development. It all just plays out very clunky. Certainly nothing resembling (even seeming like) a TV broadcast.

                  For me the biggest missing factors are emotion and more specifically, excitement. Obviously the biggest question mark is where do they go from here, and we won't know until NCAA '12 is released. I just hope they aren't satisfied and seemingly finished with what they have put together.

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                  • hawksrul05
                    Rookie
                    • May 2010
                    • 7

                    #10
                    Re: Perfecting the College Atmosphere - Part I: The Broadcast

                    Rather than waste their time working on the title overlays and scoreboards, I would like EA to improve the overall atmosphere of the game, such as the crowd noise mentioned above. I think that if you score a game-winning TD or FG in a big game, your team should rush on the field from the sidelines.

                    They need to figure out a way to make certain situations more important than others. I like that they put the time in to make players celebrate after they make a play a little more this year, but if the defense makes a big stand on 4th and 1 to seal the victory, the entire defense should show emotion, and the crowd should erupt. This would make the game so much more immersive. Much more than an authentic ESPN scoreboard would. It would help bring emotion to the game.

                    I know that I ALWAYS get pumped when I make important plays when playing a significant opponent, so why can't my crowd or my players?

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