Apology to OMT - We have been hard

[Bootzilla]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

in my opinion is hard to tell what a sports game is going to be like when playing a small sample and playing on a difficulty level that one doesn't normally play. I agree, that the demo gives you an idea of what you are getting, but I don't feel as though it "misrepresented" the game. There is no online dynasty in the demo, there is no slider adjustments in the demo and there are no roster changes in the demo which seem to be 3 of the biggest concerns that the game has. The robo QB/deep ball issue in my opinion is exactly the same as it was in the demo. Also, the kick coverage is exactly how it was in the demo in my opinion. That was one of the biggest criticisms of the demo was that it was too easy to return kicks/punts. As for the pass rush issue, that issue was mentioned by community leaders and even addressed on this board before the game was released and even before someone got the game early. Just my .02

I just played the demo to compare and indeed the kick coverage is different. The guys on the kickoff team closest to the sidelines angle toward the ball carrier. They do not run straight up the field creating huge running lanes. They simply do not. Also, the demo played so well that one could very well draw a conclusion based on years of previous efforts that the final product ON THE FIELD would be very good. Are we to assume that sliders wouldn't work when they've at least worked to some degree in the past? With the pass rush issue it was my belief that sliders weren't available at the time the community guys played it and that could be remedied by lowering the pass block slider.

People with the i tunes argument are off as well. The demo isn't a snippet of a song.This is akin to listening to a snippet and buying the CD but tracks 14 and 15 won't play. Major difference.

Everyone has free will to purchase or not purchase a product. But, consumers on these boards are saying that it's the consumer's fault that he's upset with an admittedly (by company representatives themselves) faulty game. That's insane.

Now do I think some posters are just negative and rude? Sure, and they are annoying as heck but, the people that give companies a pass are every bit as annoying.

[Mossfan8480]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpringle

IF people feel EA screwed them 10x then those people can't blame any1 but themselves for getting screwed after the 1st time.

Completely agree. Who actually thought that NCAA 2009 would ship without its fare share of bugs and glitches? Since when has EA's track record been one of perfection, and for that matter any developer of sports gaming.

Every year sports gamers expect the next sports game (NBA, NFL, NCAA, MLB, NHL) to fill some void inside them, and it never does nor will it ever. Perfection is unattainable. Reality is subjective. One most look within to fill that void, not to some annual release of a sporting game. Until this is realized, you'll never be satisfied with life or the video games that consume it.

[hoots711]

When did it become ok for a industry to not stand behind their product?

This problem would be solved if you could return the game for a full refund within 14 days or something reasonable.


I think crappy releases would start to die down when 200k copies get returned…


Don’t give me this shame on me for buying site unseen argument... You want me to pay 9 bucks(current cost at bb i belief) or 15% of the game's value to test it? Not to mention they gave a freaking demo for that..


Imagine buying a 20k car and them telling you can test it for 7 days for a non refundable 3K. Then if you want to buy it... its still 20K.


It is the same principle on a lesser scale. Besides music, i cant think of one other product that you can buy and not have rights to take back if it is garbage. And now you can basically listen to whole cds before you buy…


Music went through this with artists putting 1 good song and 14 pieces of crap on discs and it let to the mp3/pirate revolution...They learned their lesson.


Fan boys like it or not... There is no competition... no incentive for EA to create a quality product, no reason to stand behind their product,


We simply need to stop buying it… easier said than done ofcouse.

I really think the industry as a whole hides behind the no return policy…

[auburntigersfan]

All the nuts that keep making posts that just repeat issues we already know of with titles telling OMT to look really piss me off.

[airblair223]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mossfan8480

Completely agree. Who actually thought that NCAA 2009 would ship without its fare share of bugs and glitches? Since when has EA's track record been one of perfection, and for that matter any developer of sports gaming. Every year sports gamers expect the next sports game (NBA, NFL, NCAA, MLB, NHL) to fill some void inside them, and it never does nor will it ever. Perfection is unattainable. Reality is subjective. One most look within to fill that void, not to some annual release of a sporting game. Until this is realized, you'll never be satisfied with life or the video games that consume it.

This argument is, well, not good. I am a college football fan, NCAA is the ONLY college football game. Lump me into the group that is completely disenchanted with the entire situation. Basically you have limited options, which your argument ignores (which is what makes it weak).

1. Buy the game, i.e., get screwed.
2. Don't buy the game because it isn't up to basic standards, i.e., get screwed (no football).

Those are great options.

People don't complain about using their hard money because the game is not good. They do it because it was the only choice they had, and the game was not good. If you are like me, going without college football is not really an option. And I am a realist. I don't expect the game to be perfect. The game everyone gushes about (2004), the tightends were superhuman. There were problems with that game, but it was so dang fun and it didn't have serious code errors. Like for example: Linebackers with no speed, kick coverage with no speed, defensive players running away from ball carriers, unstoppable deep pass, impenetrable offensive line, quarterbacks with better arms then John Elway (ALL OF THEM), ineffective sliders......Excuse me, but don't bitch at people for bitching. They are within their right.

I don't think, as a consumer, that I am beyond an explanation for the tomfoolery going on at EA. If you guys want to apologize for the misfeasance, go right ahead. But I am going to hold their feet to the fire on matters of basic of gameplay elements, and basic design elements. Also, again, the ratings are terrible. If I were responsible for those ratings, I would resign.

There are two basic areas of production that I cannot stand. 1) Being lazy (which I have never accused anyone on the EA team of being)
2) Incompetence.

If you don't want to be called incompetent, stop putting out an obviously flawed and inferior (to last generation) product.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

Also, the kick coverage is exactly how it was in the demo in my opinion. That was one of the biggest criticisms of the demo was that it was too easy to return kicks/punts.

I disagree wholeheartedly. Go back and look again. The coverage in the demo actually was better.

[OMT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Nutzzz414

I think some of you guys are doing a little too much *** kissing. Adam is a professional, And he knows that when he decided to do something like this, he was going to the the good, the bad, and the ugly. I know that he dosen't take it personal, because the #1 rule of customer service (which is what this is basically), is to not take anything personal. Now some of you guys are a little crazy when you get no response. And if you guys are apoligizing, that's a different story. But you shouldn't apoligize for stating your opinion of the game, no matter how harsh it is. With that being said, I do appreciate Adam taking out the time to answer our questions and to keep us as informed as he does with the game. But I'm pretty sure he knows that all of the opinions of the game would not be positive. I think he does a great job ignoring the ignorant comments by people.

That's pretty much right on, except for the customer service thing. That isn't my goal being here, but it seems like I have become that in the Online Dynasty poblems thread!

[Cebby]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mossfan8480

Every year sports gamers expect the next sports game (NBA, NFL, NCAA, MLB, NHL) to fill some void inside them, and it never does nor will it ever.

That's just not true.

Every NBA and CH 2k game recently has been satisfying almost unanimously, as has The Show and MVP baseball. NCAA 06 and 2004 were loved by almost all, and 2k5 is still being talked about. NCAA 09 is just a low quality game.