recruiting has so much more potential

[huskerwr38]

Okay, I'm not sure how recruiting is going to work this year, probably just your same old...you get 10 hours to make phone calls, wait for the minutes to tick down, see if the little football gets happy or mad blah blah blah. So boring and repetitive. I believe that is one of the biggest let downs in the game when it could be the highlight of the game. There is so much potential, but I absolutely dread having to make the phone calls every week. Most of the time I just let the CPU do it unless there are a few recruits I must have.
Anyways, I just don't see why it can't be like real life? You have a recruiting coordinator and your coaching staff select recruits (any amount of recruits). Then assign coaches to certain parts of the region that they cover. Depending on how good your coach is at recruiting, you get big time players or crappy players. In real life you have rules with recruiting time frames, so your coach only has so many days in that time frame to recruit, then you can just assign those limited number of days to recruits. You have travel time you have to account for, then visiting time. So thats off-season recruiting.
Then you have in-season recruiting, with phone calls, sending letters, official, unofficial trips, and coaches evalutations. I believe letters should be a huge part, because you always hear about recruits getting so many letters. In real life there is a certain time frame in which you can call recruits, so it should work that way through the season, during the other times, you just send letters. I think the phone calls can work different that they don't have to be so boring and repetitive. Just select what options you want to talk about, how much time you want to talk to the recruit, and let it sim, kind of like quick call but with a bit more control. How much time you want to dedicate to a recruit depends on how good your recruiter is, what kind of connection the coach and the player has, and how much time during the week the coach has to spend on recruiting. But, phone calls shouldn't carry as much weight as official, unofficial visits should. Influence of recruiting tactics should go from smallest to highest influence, letters, phone calls, coaches visiting/evaluations, unofficial, and biggest influence official visits. This is just a foundation, if I had more time, (and I wouldn't need much more time), but I could develop a real recruiting system that would be just as fun as playing the game itself.
Also, coaches could evaluate players and make sure that they are the real thing. For instance, if there was a 5 star recruit that you wanted to evaluate, but after the evaluation you found out he's not as good as originally thought. Vice Versa, you find a diamond in the rough but recruiting a 2-3 star player and he ends up being a 4-5 star recruit. I believe I saw that in this years draft, only 5-6 players who were 5 star recruits ended up being drafted.
Why does it have to be a fake made up game that doesn't follow real rules at all? All of the real information can be found on line, why can't the developers understand this and implement it?

[huskerwr38]

Here are the real rules:

Here are the real rules.

2008-09 Division I Football Recruiting Calendar
August 1, 2008, through July 31, 2009
(See NCAA Division I Bylaw 30.11.3 for football calendar formula)
The dates in this calendar reflect the application of Bylaw 30.11 at the time of publication of this
manual but are subject to change per NCAA Constitution 5.2.3.1 or if certain dates
(e.g., National Letter of Intent signing dates) are altered.
(a) August 1 through November 29, 2008, [except for (1) below]:
(1) 42 evaluation days (54 for U.S. service academies) (see Bylaw
13.02.9) during the months of September, October and
November, (not to exceed a period of 42 days) selected at the
discretion of the institution and designated in writing in the office
of the director of athletics; authorized off-campus recruiters shall
not visit a prospective student-athlete’s educational institution on
more than one calendar day during this period.
Quiet period
Evaluation period
(b) November 30, 2008, through January 31, 2009, [except for (1) through
(6) below].
Six in-person off-campus contacts per prospective student-athlete shall
be permitted during this time period with not more than one
permitted in any one calendar week (Sunday through Saturday)
or partial calendar week: +
Contact period
(1) December 21, 2008: Quiet period
(2) December 22, 2008, through January 1, 2009:* Dead period
(3) January 2-4, 2009: Quiet period
(4) January 11, 2009: Quiet period
(5) January 12-15, 2009:*
*Institutional staff members may have contact with a prospective
student-athlete who has been admitted for midyear enrollment,
provided the prospect has signed a National Letter of Intent or
other offer of admission and/or financial aid to attend the
institution and is required to be on campus to attend institutional
orientation sessions for all students.
(6) January 16-17, 2009:
Dead period
Quiet period
(c) February 1, 2009:
(d) February 2-5, 2009:
(e) February 6 through April 14, 2009:
(f) April 15 through May 31, 2009, [except for (g) below]:
Four weeks (excluding Memorial Day and Sundays) selected at the
discretion of the member institution and designated in writing in the
office of the director of athletics [as provided in (1) below]:
(1) An authorized off-campus recruiter may use one evaluation to assess
the prospective student-athlete’s athletics ability and one evaluation to
assess the prospective student-athlete’s academic qualifications during
this evaluation period). If an institution’s coaching staff member
conducts both an athletics and an academic evaluation of the
prospective student-athlete on the same day during this evaluation
period, the institution shall be charged with the use of an academics
evaluation only and shall be permitted to conduct a second athletics
evaluation of the prospective student-athlete on a separate day during
this evaluation period.
Quiet period
Dead period
Quiet period
Evaluation period
(g) Those days in April/May not designated above for evaluation
opportunities:
Quiet period
(h) June 1 through July 31, 2009: Quiet period
+ For December 14, 2008, through January 15, 2009, the following recruiting periods apply to
junior college football prospective student-athletes. These periods are related to the National
Letter of Intent signing period (December 17, 2008, through January 15, 2009) for these
prospective student-athletes.
(a) December 14: Quiet period for all junior college prospective student-athletes intending to
enroll midyear at a member institution.
(b) December 15-18: Dead period for all junior college prospective student-athletes.
(c) December 19, 2008, through January 10, 2009, [except for (1) through (5) below]:
Contact Period
(1) December 19-20, 2008: Quiet period for all junior college prospective
student-athletes intending to enroll midyear at a
member institution.
(2) December 21, 2008: Quiet period for all junior college prospective student-athletes.
(3) December 22, 2008, through January 1, 2009: Dead period for all junior college
prospective student-athletes.
(4) January 2-4, 2009: Quiet period for all junior college prospective student-athletes.
(5) January 5-10, 2009: Quiet period for all junior college prospective student-athletes
intending to enroll midyear at a member institution.
(d) January 11, 2009: Quiet period for all junior college prospective student-athletes.
(e) January 12-15, 2009: Dead period for all junior college prospective student-athletes.

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NCAA DIVISION I FOOTBALL COACHES OFF-CAMPUS RECRUITING GUIDE

Effective August 1, 2008

Freshman/Sophomore	Junior	Senior	Two-Year College Prospects	Four-Year College Prospects	Evaluations and Contacts
Recruiting materials -  Questionnaires and camp brochures only.	Recruiting materials -  September 1. Telephone calls - One between April 15 and May 31.	Telephone calls -  Once per week after September 1.  Unlimited during contact period. Off-campus contact -  July 1 (limited to contact periods). Official visit -  Opening day of prospect’s classes.	Telephone calls -  Once per week. Qualifier -  Contacts permissible. Nonqualifier -  No contacts until after completion of first year of enrollment at the two-year college. Official visits - No earlier than October 15 following prospect’s completion of high school.	Telephone calls -  Once per week. NCAA or NAIA institution -  Only after written permission has been granted by the student-athlete’s institution. Other four-year institution -  Written permission not necessary. Official visits - No earlier than October 15 following prospect’s completion of high school.	 42 evaluation days (54 for U.S. service academies) during fall evaluation period.  Limit of three evaluations during academic year:  One evaluation during fall.  Two evaluations - April 15 through May 31 (one evaluation to assess athletics ability and one evaluation to assess academic qualifications).  Not more than six off-campus contacts per prospect at any site.  Practice/competition site restrictions (see other side).

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DEFINITIONS


Contact
A contact is any face-to-face encounter between a prospect or the prospect’s parents, relatives or legal guardian(s) and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting. Any such face-to-face encounter that is prearranged (e.g., positions himself/herself in a location where contact is possible) or that takes place on the grounds of the prospect’s educational institution or at the site of organized competition or practice involving the prospect or the prospect’s high school, preparatory school, two-year college or all-star team shall be considered a contact, regardless of whether any conversation occurs. However, an institutional staff member or athletics representative who is approached by a prospect or the prospect’s parents, relatives or legal guardian(s) at any location shall not use a contact, provided the encounter was not prearranged and the staff member or athletics representative does not engage in any dialogue in excess of a greeting and takes appropriate steps to immediately terminate the encounter.


Evaluation
Evaluation is any off-campus activity designed to assess the academic qualifications or athletics ability of a prospect, including any visit to a prospect’s educational institution (during which no contact occurs) or the observation of a prospect participating in any practice or competition at any site. Any evaluation that occurs during a contact period by a coaching staff member is a countable contact rather than a countable evaluation.


E Evaluation Days
An evaluation day is defined as one coach engaged in the evaluation of any prospect on one day (12:01 a.m. to midnight); two coaches making evaluations on the same day shall use two evaluation days. The combined total of such days for all staff members shall not exceed 42 (54 for U.S. service academies).

Recruited Prospective Student-Athlete

Actions by staff members or athletics representatives that cause a prospect to become a recruited prospect at that institution are:
a. Providing the prospect with an official visit;
b. Having an arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with the prospect or the prospect’s parent(s), relatives or legal guardian(s); or
c. Initiating or arranging a telephone contact with the prospect, the prospect’s relatives or legal guardian(s) on more than one occasion for the purpose of recruitment; and
d. Issuing a National Letter of Intent or the institution’s written offer of athletically related financial aid to the prospect (excluding summer term awards prior to initial full-time enrollment).


Telephone Calls


All electronically transmitted human voice exchange (including videoconferencing and videophones) shall be considered telephone calls. All electronically transmitted correspondence (e.g., electronic mail, facsimiles) shall not be considered telephone calls (see NCAA Bylaw 13.4.1).


Contacts, Evaluations and Telephone Calls


Off-Campus Recruiters
An institutional staff member is not permitted to recruit off campus until he or she has been certified on an annual basis as to knowledge of applicable recruiting rules.
Telephone Calls During Conduct of Athletics Contest
Telephone calls to a prospect [or the prospect’s relatives or legal guardian(s)] may not be made during the conduct of any of the institution’s intercollegiate athletics contests in that sport until the competition has concluded and the team has been dismissed by the coach.


Telephone Calls - Institutional Staff Members - General Rule
All telephone calls to prospects (or the prospects’ parents, legal guardians or coaches) must be made by the head coach or one or more of the assistant coaches who count toward the numerical limitations in football. In Football Bowl Subdivision, such calls may be made and received by the graduate assistant coach, provided the coach has successfully completed the coaches’ certification examination.


Visits to a Prospect’s Educational Institution
Institutional staff members may visit a prospect’s educational institution on not more than one occasion during a particular week within a contact period, regardless of the number of prospects enrolled in the institution or whether any prospect is contacted on that occasion. During a contact period, such a visit counts as a contact for all contactable prospects that attend the educational institution.


Head Football Coach Restrictions - Off-Campus Contact - Football Bowl Subdivision (formerly Division I-A)
The head coach may make in-person, off-campus contact with a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or legal guardian(s) only during one calendar day. It is permissible for this contact to occur both at the site of the prospect’s educational institution and away from the institutional grounds. During such contact, the head coach may be accompanied by an assistant(s) who otherwise is required to observe the restrictions contained in the bylaws.


Visits during Contact Period
One contact per prospect is permitted during each week of the contact period either at the prospect’s educational institution or any other location (e.g., prospect’s home). A visit to the prospect’s educational institution and any other location (e.g., prospect’s home) during the same calendar day shall be considered one contact. In addition, institutional staff members may visit a prospect’s educational institution on not more than one occasion during a particular week, regardless of the total number of prospects enrolled in the institution.


Prospective Student-Athlete’s Educational Institution
Any staff member desiring to contact a prospect at the prospect’s educational institution during that portion of the day when classes are being conducted for all students, first shall obtain permission for such contact from that institution’s president or chancellor (or the president or chancellor’s authorized representative).


Practice or Competition Site
Recruiting contact may not be made with a prospect prior to any athletics competition in which the prospect is a participant during the day or days of competition, even if the prospect is on an official or unofficial visit. Contact includes the passing of notes to a prospect by a third party on behalf of an institutional staff member. Contact shall not be made with the prospect as follows:


a. At any site prior to the contest on the day or days of competition;


b. From the time the prospect reports on call and becomes involved in competition-related activity to the end of the competition;


c. After the competition, including competition that requires more than one day of participation (e.g., a tournament), until the prospect is released by the appropriate institutional authority and departs the dressing and meeting facility; and


d. Coaching staff members may send general correspondence to a prospect while the prospect is participating in an athletics event, provided the general correspondence is sent directly to a prospect (e.g., the front desk of the hotel, the prospective student-athlete’s personal fax machine) and there is no additional party (e.g., camp employee, coach) involved in disseminating the correspondence.


Athletics Events Outside Contact Period
In-person contact with a prospect shall not be made on or off the member institution’s campus at the site of practice or competition or for any athletics event in which the prospect participates outside the permissible contact periods. When a prospect participates in an athletics contest or event (including a noninstitutional, private camp or clinic) on a member institution’s campus outside of a contact period, it is not permissible for an authorized institutional staff member to have contact with the prospect until the calendar day following his or her release from the competition. Further, if a prospect is visiting an institution’s campus immediately before or after participating in an athletics contest or event on the institution’s campus, the prospect must depart the locale of the institution the calendar day before or after the contest or event.


Limitations on Number of Evaluations
Institutional staff members shall be limited to three evaluations during the academic year during which the prospect competes or practices on any team. Not more than one evaluation may be used during the fall evaluation period and not more than two evaluations may be used during the April 15 through May 31 evaluation period. An authorized off-campus recruiter may use one evaluation to assess the prospect’s athletics ability and one evaluation to assess the prospect’s academic qualifications during the April 15 through May 31 evaluation period. If an institution’s coaching staff member conducts both an athletics and an academic evaluation of a prospect on the same day during the April 15 through May 31 evaluation period, the institution shall be charged with the use of an academic evaluation only and shall be permitted to conduct a second athletics evaluation of the prospect on a separate day during the April 15 through May 31 evaluation period.


Spring Evaluations
Institutional staff members may not visit a prospect’s educational institution on more than two-calendar days during the spring evaluation period. It is permissible during the evaluation period to visit a prospective student-athlete’s educational institution on two-calendar days during the same week. A visit to the prospect’s educational institution that only includes contact with a signed prospect during the spring evaluation period shall be considered one of the institution’s two permissible days at the institution. In Football Bowl Subdivision, the head coach shall not engage in off-campus recruiting activities during the April 15 through May 31 evaluation period.
Scholastic and Nonscholastic Activities
All live evaluations shall be limited to regularly scheduled high school, preparatory school and two-year college contests and practices and regular scholastic activities involving prospective student-athletes enrolled only at the institution at which the regular scholastic activities occur.

[huskerwr38]

What do you guys think?

[sportzbro]

I would love for it to be more in depth like that. Knowing NCAA though and their reluctance moving toward a more sim style game, they will just stick to the "10 hours a week" thing....and thats it.

[Soonerd2]

Quote: Originally Posted by BORN4CORN

I would love for it to be more in depth like that. Knowing NCAA though and their reluctance moving toward a more sim style game, they will just stick to the "10 hours a week" thing....and thats it.

yep

[iCebErgSLiM369]

Recruiting is fine. Whatever system they have for recruiting is gonna get repetetive because were doing it after every season. Recruiting in real life is extremely repetetive. You have to remember this is a VIDEO GAME. The developers have the undaunting task of making the game as in-depth and realistic as possible while still appealing to those who know nothing about college football. The majority (not everyone but most) of NCAA fans aren't gonna want to remember all those dates and regulations. MLB The Show had to include a glossary on all the in-season personnel terminology and it was met with a lukewarm reception. Cant make everyone happy.