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[JLoco11]

Quote: Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC

This is flat out false. Most "public" university systems are only partially being supported by state funds, with the remainder coming from the students and other revenue sources: http://www.acenet.edu/the-presidency...he-bottom.aspx University of California system: http://budget.universityofcalifornia.edu/?page_id=5 University of Virginia http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...9d0_story.html University of Texas http://giving.utexas.edu/why-give/wh...-your-support/ Now, the UT example is a little misleading, because the States share of the budget shrank, but the schools budget exploded in those 30 years. Not to belabor the point any further, but the idea that state schools are 100% state funded is just wrong.

All those articles you just pointed out, refer to ACADEMIC funding... not operational costs. Every school is on their own to fund their academic programs and that's what tuition, donations, fundraisers & grants are for.

States chip in for academic costs, as each article shows. But no state funds academics 100%, which is why my statement was very clear about operational costs.

Operational costs include state employee salaries (the majority of staff that work in public universities are state employees). Building maintenance of publicly funded buildings are state owned properties (private funded buildings donated by a famous donor are not state funded costs). Infrastructure in the schools, such as utilities, roadways, sanitation.... all state funded.

However, the cost of a text book is not funded by the state. The cost of lab fees, university computers, chapel services, non-state mandated assistance programs like drug or alcohol intervention programs etc... all covered by the schools through their own financial means. None of that is relevant to the union case with the athletes.

What is relevant is the salary of university staff being part of operation costs, which leads to the union debate of this thread.

[barsoffury]

This whole thing is only a problem because for whatever reason the NCAA doesn't allow athletes to make money and people throw around the ridiculous argument, "but they are given a free education. That should be enough.".........Really? How come any other student on a scholarship is allowed to make money? Nobody throws up their arms at them. It's the same thing. NCAA and greedy universities stuck their heads in the sand for decades.....
Sooner or later college athletes will get their compensation. One way or another.

[JLoco11]

Quote: Originally Posted by barsoffury

This whole thing is only a problem because for whatever reason the NCAA doesn't allow athletes to make money and people throw around the ridiculous argument, "but they are given a free education. That should be enough.".........Really? How come any other student on a scholarship is allowed to make money? Nobody throws up their arms at them. It's the same thing. NCAA and greedy universities stuck their heads in the sand for decades..... Sooner or later college athletes will get their compensation. One way or another.

The long answer to that question is probably a few pages long. The tl:dr version is there is a difference between academic and athletic scholarship. Just look at who offers the different scholarships. A coach for athletic, an admissions board for academic. Different rules govern each, made under different circumstances.

Schools govern their own academic scholarship requirements. The NCAA stipulates athletic regulations.

There's no arguing colleges are greedy. Presidents, administrators, coaches, sponsors, donors etc....all with their hand in the cookie jar of college sports making money. But how is that different from any other business?

McDonalds CEO last year made 22.8 million dollars... now how many employees work for minimum wage and long hours? Phil Knight of Nike pulled in close to 15 million dollars just sitting on his a$$ last year as the Chairman for Nike.... how many sneakers were made in foreign countries for less than $1 of labor?

Not saying what the NCAA or colleges are doing is right, but merely it's how business in the world operates. Tell the kid in McDonalds working for $8 an hour (while Don Thompson counts his millions) that a college football player was given a $40,000 a year education and doesn't consider that enough... see their reaction to that.