Badges📛

[simbayless]

Although we dont know what type game 2k is making

Lets have some Hypothetical fun if 2k decided to put badges 2k should add _____ fill in the blank

Shake N bake badge-runners can move and cut like Barry sanders

Prime-time returner- increases the chances of big return kick offs like Deion Sanders

Glue hands👋- wr can catch the ball anywhere

Missle Laser - QB can throw the ball super deep with accuracy

Blow the the House down- Defensive Line and LB can blow up the spot get to the QB faster

You cant come in my house ✋🛑- Offensive tackles stone wall 🧱 the Defense from coming into sack the QB

[illwill10]

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For me, I wouldn't mind bringing back the Abilities that were in APF2K8 and having them implemented the same. I feel that was one of the best implemented badge/abilities system. Yes, the ratings were "under the hood " that could be edited in the Editor. But, the way how abilities were implemented in 2k8 felt right. It didn't feel overpowered or a big boost. It felt like skills that either a player had or didn't.

[PaleVermilion]

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Spoiler

[Thunderhorse]

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For me, I wouldn't mind bringing back the Abilities that were in APF2K8 and having them implemented the same. I feel that was one of the best implemented badge/abilities system. Yes, the ratings were "under the hood " that could be edited in the Editor. But, the way how abilities were implemented in 2k8 felt right. It didn't feel overpowered or a big boost. It felt like skills that either a player had or didn't.

Most if not all the players within the same tier were almost identical rating wise, with a few exceptions. The one thing that actually differentiated the largely generic player base (G,S,B, and "generic" included), was the abilities.

IF you unlocked all the achievements and could make 5 ability gold CAP players you really started to see just how unique you could make players, which transitioned into some very different, complex, and unique schemes/teams if you were within the right community.

[illwill10]

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Most if not all the players within the same tier were almost identical rating wise, with a few exceptions. The one thing that actually differentiated the largely generic player base (G,S,B, and "generic" included), was the abilities.

IF you unlocked all the achievements and could make 5 ability gold CAP players you really started to see just how unique you could make players, which transitioned into some very different, complex, and unique schemes/teams if you were within the right community.

I know, those 5 ability Cap Players were a game changer. You could literally build teams/scheme around those players

[Kanobi]

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For me, I wouldn't mind bringing back the Abilities that were in APF2K8 and having them implemented the same. I feel that was one of the best implemented badge/abilities system. Yes, the ratings were "under the hood " that could be edited in the Editor. But, the way how abilities were implemented in 2k8 felt right. It didn't feel overpowered or a big boost. It felt like skills that either a player had or didn't.

Agreed. I used to do exhaustive roster work on APF2k8 via Javo's editor and it never ceased to amaze how closely you could get a player to behave like their real-life counterpart.

With the abilities and attribute tweaks you could craft unique skillsets for each player resulting in super organic and realistic gameplay between two fully edited teams. You'd be hard pressed to make it through a quarter without constantly watching replays.

[illwill10]

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Agreed. I used to do exhaustive roster work on APF2k8 via Javo's editor and it never ceased to amaze how closely you could get a player to behave like their real-life counterpart.

With the abilities and attribute tweaks you could craft unique skillsets for each player resulting in super organic and realistic gameplay between two fully edited teams. You'd be hard pressed to make it through a quarter without constantly watching replays.

Exactly. My favorite thing was that speed isn't king like it is in Madden. I could build a team without a Speed Demon and still be a dominant. Not having a speed demon isn't as much of a detriment in 2k8. A WR with Route God and Bump Breaker/Buster can consistently get open. A DB with Coverage ability and Bump and Run isn't getting beat consistently.


But as I said before, the abilities were skills not situational boosts like in Madden and NBA 2k. Which didn't make them feel overpowered. Which makes me think about the best way to approach ratings and badges/abilities. My issue isn't the use of ratings and badges/abilities. It's the way the players aren't differentiated. Using Ratings only, is basically players being programmed to play the same way with the rating differentiating players. Using ratings and abilities, is those same similarly programmed players with differentiating ratings and situationally better abilities. So, my issue is I want to see players not programmed the same. I would love a VIP system that is vastly expanded to included players and coach tendencies. That way each player performs uniquely and the ratings and badges aren't the sole differentiating factor

[simbayless]

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Here's another Badge

Tight -Window: with this badge the QB can throw tight window passes accurate

Example Drew Brees& Brett Farve

[Caulfield]

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Spoiler

damn, I'm six months to late. I came in here to say this and you already beat me to it lol

[simbayless]

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Here's another one 👇

System Quarterback: A QB that has high enough IQ to blend in and plays better in a offensive system

[F17]

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I was thinking about this whilst on the loo the other day and came to make a post to discuss it haha

I would love to see very few numerical ratings, maybe even none, because only really speed would be relevant I guess, but maybe numerical ratings in terms of tendencies. Equating to a percentage chance a player does a certain action. So we take Edge Rushers. Their tendencies can show what pass rush move they will do as their opening move. A Role Player might not have an expanded repertoire of moves and have 100 bull rush tendency, which could be easily learned by the smarter OLs and mitigated, unless it was a HOF bull rush badge, cause even knowing that was coming would be tough

Speed/Accel would be universal for skill positions, So well known woman respecter Tyreek Hill would be generational speed and accel. Larry Allen as an example, would be a generational speed for an OL, but that generational would be a different speed for skill vs Linemen.

My ideal world would be to see maybe 7 tiers of badge. Obviously with increasing levels of effectiveness

Practice Squad
Bronze
Silver
Gold
Elite
HOF
Generational

QBs
Every single route to have a badge. IE Corner route - HOF, Slant route - Practice Squad would mean he hits a beautiful corner pass, but scatter guns his slants
Pass Distance
Pass Speed
Sack Breaking
Pocket Presence
Clutch - More consistent/better decision making late in games
Plus all HB badges

HBs
Tackle Breaking
Truck Juke Spin etc
Ball Security
Ball Carrier Vision

WRs/TEs
Same for QBs, every route
Uncontested Catching
Contested Catches
Jump Balls
Circus Catches


You get the idea

[King Gro23]

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I’ve always thought about this. I agree with many posters on the 1st page as far as APF’s abilities were the best rendition of any game.

That being said I think a balance between skills and situational would be the best bet.

I’m not a fan of the arcade names for abilities which tells a lot.

I’d like to see them as live scouting reports.

Where guys have their physical stats but the rest is all trait and abilities.

QBs (isolated abilities)
“Progressive” - displays ability to consistently get through progressions finding open man

“Project progressive”- shows flashes of going through progressions but isn’t consistent

“non-progressive” player often stares down intended receiver or maintains sights on one side of field


“Steady feet” qb has good footwork

“Journeyman” qb may tend to throw off balance throws due to pressure

“Pocket poise” ect ect

Just like a scouting report where they break each player down. Theirs your ideal, shows flashes, and behind the average/starter scale of things that are detrimental to success

Running backs

Pass pro, contact balance, burst, vision, ball security, durability, running aggression, patience,

Wide receivers
Release, recognizing coverage , body control, foot work, hands, catch strength, acrobatic abilty, run after the catch , winning routes at each level.






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[King Gro23]

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Doubling down on further more depth. Regarding abilities/badges/traits/ tendencies need to be a complete meta verse which makes up a players DNA

Right now in Madden there are 53 attributes and around 15 traits

superstar abilities combined with X factor seem to be 178 abilities they have implemented on the game (via personal quick count using) https://www.madden-school.com/abilities/

178 abilities divided by 22 positions = 8 abilities per position non special teams.

If you take away general attributes which include the following: speed, acceleration, strength, agility, awareness, jumping , injury , stamina , toughness that’s 9.. 53-9=44

add 44 more abilities.

NBA 2k has a similar count between the tiers and personality badges which also offer great value.

To my point looking at Herdon hooker on Walter football

Strengths and weaknesses every player should have around 8-20 strengths and weakness combined

Now I mentioned 22 positions how ever it could be scaled into groups

Quarter back, ball carrier, receiver, blocker, secondary , line backer, definitive front, special teams (8 Groups)

Now condense it all together: 44 attribute categories/ 178 abilities/ traits 15 = 237 \8 =29.6 abilities per group

Back to herdon hooker he has 17 evaluations on his play 12 strength 5 weaknesses obviously this is vs NCAA so it needs to be done with the common growing scale but imagine a each player having a unique set of traits that make up his player DNA along with the core physical ratings which would progress or regress naturally

Sorry for the long read but I think this is the way a football game needs to go for quality


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