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Old 04-07-2005, 10:18 PM   #9
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While I love sliders and the ability they grant me to adapt the game to my skills (or lack thereof), I do scratch my head sometimes at how widely accepted some of the self-proclaimed slider experts' "slider sets" are. I mean, are all the gamers at OS really at the same skill level, so much so that these slider sets are hailed as miraculous gamesavers?

I do appreciate it when people figure out what some of the more ambiguous sliders do, but I wouldn't dream of assuming or telling people that my slider settings are the answers to their prayers. In fact, with some of the games with zillions of sliders (like MVP 05), I'd be shocked if anyone besides myself used my slider settings and thought they were perfect for them.

As for watching CPU vs CPU games, I WISH I had that kind of time on my hands. I have done it a few times in the distant past, though; mainly to check out the CPU AI or just to marvel at the game, without having to worry about paying attention to what I'm doing in the game at the same time.
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Old 04-07-2005, 11:23 PM   #10
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However, proclaiming that your "slider set" is somehow a universal solution that is better than what ships seems a monumental act of hubris.
I agree completely; You will never understand.
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Old 04-08-2005, 12:09 AM   #11
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Great article Mark. I agree, ill never get why people want to watch the computer play itself. I have never done that and never will...
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Agreed with the whole article Fossen. Good read.
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I agree completely; You will never understand.

I'm sure Pared will agree with this but some ppl lack the patience to come up with there own slider set and instead of doing there own tinkering, they'll bug the slider gurus forever until they create a base set.

After a few attempts at posting my custom set of sliders, I came to the conclusion that nobody plays the game the exact same way I do so it is kinda redundant to post and update sliders when everyone will get diffrent results. Then you gotta deal with the ones who cant figure out if a slider is sopposed to go right or left......

...anyways, I can understand a discussion about a games sliders but when it gets to the point where ppl rely on a few to amazingly save their game, it makes me wonder. Why cant these ppl figure out these sliders by themselves? Its not exactly rocket science(with the exception of the NFL 2K series) If you're having a hard time getting base hits, there is a big fat option in the slider menu that says "HUMAN CONTACT" and its even under the "Batting" sub menu. But yet, we get hundreds of ppl who claim that its impossible to hit. Do these ppl not explore the games options? Is it that they just dont understand what Human Contact might mean? Or are they simply to lazy to do their own test and find a variable that suits there skill level? Of course its the ladder but what ppl have to realize is that sliders have gotten to the point where each persons may differ because of playing style, skill level and the biggest of them all, they're view of how the game is played. This is'nt the simple, universal slider set that games like Madden used. We're in a time where devs are trying to cater to each individuals needs.

Anyway, good artical man. Makes for great discussion.
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I'm sure Pared will agree with this but some ppl lack the patience to come up with there own slider set and instead of doing there own tinkering, they'll bug the slider gurus forever until they create a base set.
I've seen posts - many of them - saying "I just bought game X, but won't even take the plastic off until there are good sliders. Are Pared's ready yet? Anyone else's any good? Please! I gotta play!"

That's nuts. There's a plenty good slider set inside that plastic - it's called "default".

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If you're having a hard time getting base hits, there is a big fat option in the slider menu that says "HUMAN CONTACT" and its even under the "Batting" sub menu. But yet, we get hundreds of ppl who claim that its impossible to hit. Do these ppl not explore the games options? Is it that they just dont understand what Human Contact might mean?
'Course, my argument is .... "learn to hit".

Look at Winning Eleven. In the Soccer forum after release there were tons of posts about strategy, technique, tips, etc. No one knew how to score, and they exchanged information about how to get better. How to set up shots, how to cross pass, how to position attackers, etc.

Because there were no sliders available.

I assure you, if there were sliders in WE all that discussion would have been replaced with slider settings. people would have tweaked this or that slider until they got the scoring they think they should have been getting. Instead of the excitement of mastering a game, we'd have made the game come to us.
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I've seen posts - many of them - saying "I just bought game X, but won't even take the plastic off until there are good sliders. Are Pared's ready yet? Anyone else's any good? Please! I gotta play!"

That's nuts. There's a plenty good slider set inside that plastic - it's called "default".


'Course, my argument is .... "learn to hit".

Look at Winning Eleven. In the Soccer forum after release there were tons of posts about strategy, technique, tips, etc. No one knew how to score, and they exchanged information about how to get better. How to set up shots, how to cross pass, how to position attackers, etc.

Because there were no sliders available.

I assure you, if there were sliders in WE all that discussion would have been replaced with slider settings. people would have tweaked this or that slider until they got the scoring they think they should have been getting. Instead of the excitement of mastering a game, we'd have made the game come to us.
I'm with you...I don't touch sliders anymore, I guess we're in the minority, but if i'm not playing well then I chalk it up to my ineptitude with the joystick. If i'm getting too good I push it up a notch. I used to think sliders were the savior of sports gaming, now I think they're the devil.
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I've seen posts - many of them - saying "I just bought game X, but won't even take the plastic off until there are good sliders. Are Pared's ready yet? Anyone else's any good? Please! I gotta play!"

That's nuts. There's a plenty good slider set inside that plastic - it's called "default".
My argument is that the default set isn't always the best, but then again I usually use sliders to make the game harder rather than easier.

In Madden for example. I play on All-Madden and at the default level the CPU team could never rush for more than 50 yards a game against me. In order to make the game more enjoyable and realistic for me it was necessary to crank up the CPU rushing game.

In regards to the people who are screaming for slider sets from day 1, I agree. Everybody plays the games differently so no one slider set will work for everyone.
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