You Want Some Cheese With That?

[RaychelSnr]

What is cheese? What does it mean to cheese someone in online gaming? It seems the definition of cheese is different depending on the community or the person you are generally talking to. Our very own Erik Westfall takes a look at what constitutes (or doesn't constitute) cheese and he seeks your input on the subject. Check out his article, You Want Some Cheese With That?

"Cheese is one of those things that goes great with just about anything. The problem is, it doesn’t go great with video games. Put some cheese next to one of those next-gen consoles and it will be melted almost instantaneously by a fire-breathing PS3 or Xbox 360. Sports gamers everywhere would also attest that cheese doesn’t go great with video game football. The exploiting of a game’s engine and/or doing things that real teams wouldn’t do are what many in the community call cheese. The problem is, what if the real-life counterparts break the video game code of being a straight player?"

[Ruffy]

Nice article.

Mmm cheese.....time to grab a snack while I think of a better more thought out reply.....mmm cheese.

[sportyguyfl31]

Here's a classic example:

Played a guy a couple of days ago who used Ohio State..first play of the game, he comes out in a goal line offense formation and who do I see lined up at FB? WR Brian Robiskie.

1st series of the game, he runs constant play action passes, dropping back 15-20 yards, trying to hit his "FB" on outs and streaking him up field.

I quit the game immediately.

Cheesers are people, who for whatever reason, feel the need to win at a video game, by "getting over" on the game.

They also tend to be childish, boorish and profane. Why waste time with that?

When I stumble upon one, I back out of the game immediately. It doesnt matter to me, that I usually feel pretty confident that I am going to beat the guy anyway.

We all know what cheesers like to do, and have been playing long enough to keep it somewhat under control.

Getting out of the game at the outset is the fastest way for the cheeser and I to get what we both want.

He can pad his record, and feel good about how he "owned" someone, and I go back to finding a sensible, enjoying game as quickly as possible.

[jazzchamp]

Do the people that do it even realize that they are cheesers? I heard the term for the first time back in '04 with NFL 2K5 when it happened to me. It was when I was called a 'cheeser' for shifting my defensive line so that they weren't lined up as originally placed by the AI. I could put a significant amount of pressure on the QB this way and in retrospect, I think it may have been cheesing - but if so, it was entirely unintentional.

With that in mind, I do find myself playing sports games online less because it is so difficult to find a good game/good gamesman.

[kcxiv]

Cheese is easy to define. People that try to cheat the system and play the way the game wasn't intended to be played. Imo, nothing more nothing less.

[jmood88]

Re: You Want Some Cheese With That?

I played a guy in NCAA who ran back 20 yards and threw the ball up every single play. It was hilarious that he kept doing it even while I stopped him.

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: You Want Some Cheese With That?

I played a dude in APF the other night that ran his offense out of the punt formation for the entire first half. I have never seen anything like it in my life. After getting picked and sacked to death he pulled the plug in the 3rd quarter. Cheesers have no soul.

[hoodlum10]

i think its funny that you mentioned the problem about passing past the line of scrimmage. i play with illinois and i get away with it all the time it's ridiculous

[AftershockFx]

Good read. None-the-less I'd have to agree with the fact that cheesing is indeed exploiting the engine to gain an advantage vs. playing a strait up game and attacking an opponents weaknesses. A perfect example is playing Madden and seeing users constantly pick the Bears or Broncos just so they can line Devin Hester or Champ Bailey up at WR and lob deep balls to them all day. Sure Bailey would be a suitable backup but, anyone with two functioning brain cells would realize Champ has a higher value to that defense vs. having him on the offensive side of the ball. I have an even bigger issue with users abusing Devin Hester like he's the next Randy Moss. Sure his kick and punt return abilities go without question but, as a WR can you honestly say someone who has 20 receptions, 299 total yards and 2 receiving TD's in a 16 game span is really a top notch WR ? I'd say not but, a majority of Bears fans like to abuse him as such.

[Sigma4Life]

Cheese is repeatedly using any strategy that has an unrealistically high success rate.

[mastershake88]

Dukester1988 prime example. just played this hack.

constantly ran the same offensive play which was a hb rollout and other offensive plays game in and game out along with glitch plays to certify unstopable TD's and wins.

and ran up the score boasting about winning When the only reason why hey won is simply because of cheesing .

Told him not to and he did so his name is up here now for everyone to see.

DUKESTER1988 Dont play him.

[Ferrari997]

Re: You Want Some Cheese With That?

Good read. None-the-less I'd have to agree with the fact that cheesing is indeed exploiting the engine to gain an advantage vs. playing a strait up game and attacking an opponents weaknesses. A perfect example is playing Madden and seeing users constantly pick the Bears or Broncos just so they can line Devin Hester or Champ Bailey up at WR and lob deep balls to them all day. Sure Bailey would be a suitable backup but, anyone with two functioning brain cells would realize Champ has a higher value to that defense vs. having him on the offensive side of the ball. I have an even bigger issue with users abusing Devin Hester like he's the next Randy Moss. Sure his kick and punt return abilities go without question but, as a WR can you honestly say someone who has 20 receptions, 299 total yards and 2 receiving TD's in a 16 game span is really a top notch WR ? I'd say not but, a majority of Bears fans like to abuse him as such.

I try to look at it by how the real life teams use the players. The Broncos have experimented with using Champ Bailey at WR. He MIGHT play WR at most 5 plays, if even. Those players that abuse Champ are the ones that line him up every play. The same goes for the players that abuse the Raiders. In Madden 2008, they basically put all the CBs at WRs (Washington, Asimougha or however you spell his name, Routt, and etc) That is obvious cheesing to me without taking advantage of the game's engine. I think there's two ways to cheese: exploiting a glitch on the game's engine and not playing realistically ie. CBs playing WRs.

I do not have a problem with Bears fans playing Deven Hester at WR. Because in reality, the Bears really are trying to develop Hester into a top flight WR. I would actually have more of a problem if people put him at CB because he frankly does not play that position anymore.

[hail2thevictors]

Good read. None-the-less I'd have to agree with the fact that cheesing is indeed exploiting the engine to gain an advantage vs. playing a strait up game and attacking an opponents weaknesses. A perfect example is playing Madden and seeing users constantly pick the Bears or Broncos just so they can line Devin Hester or Champ Bailey up at WR and lob deep balls to them all day. Sure Bailey would be a suitable backup but, anyone with two functioning brain cells would realize Champ has a higher value to that defense vs. having him on the offensive side of the ball. I have an even bigger issue with users abusing Devin Hester like he's the next Randy Moss. Sure his kick and punt return abilities go without question but, as a WR can you honestly say someone who has 20 receptions, 299 total yards and 2 receiving TD's in a 16 game span is really a top notch WR ? I'd say not but, a majority of Bears fans like to abuse him as such.

Yeah that DH stuff is wack! I My favorite teams are Michigan and Chicago Bears 'cause I'm from the Chi, but I would never line Hester up at WR every play and throw to him. That's not real football and I HATE d**k riders who aren't even real Bears fans, but use them on the game to cheese with Hester! If you're a Dolphins fan, PLAY WITH THE DOLPHINS!!! We all no they suck, but find a way to win with them if they're supposed to be your favorite team! The bears have stunk for a while but I play with them no matter how bad they may be on the game! I'm a real fan! Make some trades and solid draft picks, and by season 2, you should be able to put some Ws together with the fins. DON'T PLAY WITH THE BEARS 'CAUSE HESTER HAS A 99 SPEED RATING SO YOU CAN CHEESE YOUR WAY TO A WIN. F*****G LAMES!!!

[Ferrari997]

I'm from Chicago too. You should know that Hester is developing as a WR. He just got a new contract and the Bears really hope that Hester can develop into a #1 WR. Whether that happens or not, that is up to debate. But in my opinion, I don't think it's cheesing if people throw to Hester. He is no longer a guy that just returns kicks and has that 100 speed rating. He is now a full time WR or at least closer to it than last season. He will probably be the team's #2 or #3 WR. I think the only cheesing is when people place players at WR that don't even play WR at all. (Terrance Newman, Champ Bailey, Raiders CBs, and etc.)

[LingeringRegime]

Cheesing has almost destroyed online sports gaming for me. First Person Shooters are highly becoming my favorite games to play online because they are harder for people to cheese.