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Old 04-10-2005, 10:15 AM   #49
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Aren't the "default" sliders (as brought up by the author) just like sliders developed by Pared or Jistic except they happen to be developed by people employed by EA?
Did you read the comment you're taking issue with?

That is specifically in reference to people who will not even open a game until a "slider set" is published.
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Old 04-10-2005, 10:18 AM   #50
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As far as the comment on WE8, that game doesn't need sliders because they actually got it right, thats why no one complains about the lack of sliders unlike many other games.
We may never know, but I copmpletely disagree. If there were sliders available, people would be publishing their "set".
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Old 04-10-2005, 12:03 PM   #51
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We may never know, but I copmpletely disagree. If there were sliders available, people would be publishing their "set".
I think this is an important point in the "slider" argument. I think a lot of times there are people who tweak sliders just to tweak them, without really understanding the impact it will have on gameplay. Tweaking one slider may "fix" one thing but "break" another.

That being said, I think fossen has a valid point because the average amateur slider maker won't put as much time as the developers did into finding and understanding that delicate balance. However, there are the Pared's and Jistic's out there who do put in the necessary work that can be of some benefit to a lot of players.
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Old 04-10-2005, 12:14 PM   #52
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Did you read the comment you're taking issue with?

That is specifically in reference to people who will not even open a game until a "slider set" is published.
It was more geared towards this comment:

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Developers and playtesters worked a long time on hammering out the defaults.
Again, who says their "defaults" are any better than the "defaults" developed by people here at OS?
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Old 04-10-2005, 12:56 PM   #53
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Again, who says their "defaults" are any better than the "defaults" developed by people here at OS?
Again ... what does that have to do with not breaking the shrinkwrap until there are released slider "sets"?

The developers' aren't necessarily better, but they reflect the artistic vision of the developers. There is no such thing as an objective, "realistic" sports game ... they are all interpretations of the sport. They are what the game was intended to be, and at least deserve a try, and an attempts to come to grips with what is offered.
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Again ... what does that have to do with not breaking the shrinkwrap until there are released slider "sets"?

The developers' aren't necessarily better, but they reflect the artistic vision of the developers. There is no such thing as an objective, "realistic" sports game ... they are all interpretations of the sport. They are what the game was intended to be, and at least deserve a try, and an attempts to come to grips with what is offered.
I don't see where, in the article, it states that the slider discussion is based on gamers that don't break the shrinkwrap until a slider set is released. This is the paragraph I based my post on:

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I don't care for sliders, and I've written about it before. I despise the things, and am crazed by those that obsess over them. I'll save the full diatribe for another time, but in short I just don't like the immediate tinkering with a game, then proclaiming within hours of breaking the shrinkwrap that the game has been somehow improved. Developers and playtesters worked a long time on hammering out the defaults. To tinker with the game to make your experience better makes some limited sense: perhaps you can't react quick enough and need to lower the pitch speed, or simply find that you need a difficulty level in between the presets. However, proclaiming that your "slider set" is somehow a universal solution that is better than what ships seems a monumental act of hubris.
While this paragraph hits the hardest on gamers that think one single slider set is the end-all, beat-all to all others (which is completely asinine), it also sheds a negative light on sliders in general. As if the default sliders are the end-all, beat-all to all other slider sets.

Because that's what the default sliders really are.......just another slider set.
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We may never know, but I copmpletely disagree. If there were sliders available, people would be publishing their "set".
Oh deffinatly, if they were there someone would make a set but I bet a large portion of people wouldn't bother messing with them since it obviously plays so well out of the box.
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Because that's what the default sliders really are.......just another slider set.
No, actually the default settings are the design of the game.
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