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Old 05-23-2013, 01:57 PM   #9
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Re: Court Rules EA's Use of College Athletes Not 'Artistic Expression'

I just don't follow the anger directed at Hart and O'Bannon. Again, this isn't about either of them. It isn't about what they achieved or didn't achieve as pros. That has nothing to do with the lawsuit. It's a red herring. The lawsuit has to do with whether or not EA was intentional in using likenesses of amateur players to make money. That is the issue that needs to be addressed, not the nature of the people bringing the lawsuit.
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I think these lawsuits are a big reason why NCAA wasn't announced to make the jump to next gen. If they lose these cases then it's going to cost them a lot and NCAA Football will basically be done. I don't see them committing to next gen with NCAA Football because the next generation of games is supposed to give us more detail and make things more lifelike which wouldn't be a good thing to do while in the middle of a lawsuit that is trying to prove that's what you do. I can see them sticking with NCAA Football on the current gen for the time being to make some money until we get some results from these lawsuits.
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And those angry at Hart or O'Bannon are just young and naive. Just because it affects a video game you play doesn't make what they're saying not true. It's wrong for people to blatantly be exploited and people to continue to make money off of these athletes. People just think that these are college athletes that couldn't hack it as pros and are broke and looking for a money grab. They're not smart enough to realize there are Hall of Fame athletes, for pros who are financially set who are also a part of these lawsuits. This isn't just about video games. There is a broader aspect than just video games. This would spread to jerseys and everything else these schools make off of the athletes and whether or not college athletes should get paid.


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And those angry at Hart or O'Bannon are just young and naive. Just because it affects a video game you play doesn't make what they're saying not true. It's wrong for people to blatantly be exploited and people to continue to make money off of these athletes. People just think that these are college athletes that couldn't hack it as pros and are broke and looking for a money grab. They're not smart enough to realize there are Hall of Fame athletes, for pros who are financially set who are also a part of these lawsuits. This isn't just about video games. There is a broader aspect than just video games. This would spread to jerseys and everything else these schools make off of the athletes and whether or not college athletes should get paid.
It has everything to do with these guys they are spear heading the lawsuit. Colleges don't sell jerseys with the players name on the back. Although they can be obtain via making a custom jersey online. They sell the number. If I buy a #5 Canes' jersey it could be Mike James, Edriggin James, or any of the other great players who've worn that number. You should read what Bob Stoops had to say about paying these amateur athletes. Ed O'Bannon was given the opportunity of a life time. He was given a free education (current 4 year value of $129,660+ as stated above), top of the line health care, travel expense and the chance to live his dream (and many other's dream as well). In the end it didn't work out. Which is fine but to come back almost 20 years later with your handout reeks of desperation. When he signed with UCLA he understood the agreement of services as an athlete participating in the NCAA. And if he didn't he should have hired an attorney then. When he joined the NCAA he had no problem playing "for free" as some might call it. Now that he is broke he wants to change the rules.
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You say it's not about being broke... Ed O'Bannon's rookie contract was a 3 year $3.9 million deal. 16 years later he suing EA to get his hands on a few thousand.
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this whole thing is ridiculous - former players looking for a dime. MIght as well sue their old schools for "exploiting" them and making profit from tickets sold to customes who wanted to see them play.
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this whole thing is ridiculous - former players looking for a dime. MIght as well sue their old schools for "exploiting" them and making profit from tickets sold to customes who wanted to see them play.
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You say it's not about being broke... Ed O'Bannon's rookie contract was a 3 year $3.9 million deal. 16 years later he suing EA to get his hands on a few thousand.
I suppose Oscar Robertson is a broke bum who couldn't make it either right? Bill Russell, that guy must be a broke bum looking for a handout. O'Bannon's name is the main one on the lawsuit in the same way Tom Brady's name was the one on the lawsuit when the players sued the NFL during the lockout.

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It has everything to do with these guys they are spear heading the lawsuit. Colleges don't sell jerseys with the players name on the back. Although they can be obtain via making a custom jersey online. They sell the number. If I buy a #5 Canes' jersey it could be Mike James, Edriggin James, or any of the other great players who've worn that number. You should read what Bob Stoops had to say about paying these amateur athletes. Ed O'Bannon was given the opportunity of a life time. He was given a free education (current 4 year value of $129,660+ as stated above), top of the line health care, travel expense and the chance to live his dream (and many other's dream as well). In the end it didn't work out. Which is fine but to come back almost 20 years later with your handout reeks of desperation. When he signed with UCLA he understood the agreement of services as an athlete participating in the NCAA. And if he didn't he should have hired an attorney then. When he joined the NCAA he had no problem playing "for free" as some might call it. Now that he is broke he wants to change the rules.
So because Bob Stoops said it then we should all be quiet? The amount of money made off of these athletes is incredible. Yes they are given opportunities to travel to places and receive top notch medical staffs but that is a requirement of the job they do. In order to have a successful program, you need a top notch medical staff, weight room, etc. In order to play USC, you need to travel to Southern California. So to say that they are given travel expenses and top notch medical staffs is ridiculous because in order to have a program in the first place, those are requirements, not rewards.

They are given a free education yet they are steered in certain directions when choosing a degree, have their schedules worked around football, have mandatory study halls, weight lifting sessions, practices, film study and are expected to be good students.

The scholarships they get are not nearly reflective of their true value.

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The National College Players Association and Drexel University just released a study on how much college athletes would be worth on the open market.

The conclusion: The fair market value for the average FBS football player is $137,357 per year, and the fair market value for the average men's basketball player is $289,031 per year.

Right now the average player earns just $23,204 in scholarship money.

The study is fairly simple. In the NBA, players receive 50% of all revenue, and in the NFL players receive 46.5% of all revenue.
If you used that revenue-sharing model in college sports, football and basketball players would collectively receive $6.2 billion.

Here's the key part of the study:
Findings from this study offer an indictment of the principle of amateurism used by the NCAA to enforce a system that distributes the wealth generated by big money college sport programs away from the players and redirects it to coaches, administrators, conference commissioners, bowl executives, colleges and universities, and corporate entities. College sport officials have created a system of inequity that exploits young people and brings dishonor to the academy by:

denying revenue-producing athletes the opportunity to negotiate on their own behalf
limiting their ability to transfer
restricting the compensation they receive and failing to compensate them for the use of their names, images, and likenesses
failing to provide adequate protections in the form of health benefits
placing extreme demands on their time, energies, and psyches
barring athletes from pursuing sponsorship deals
limiting athlete access to due process and fair enforcement reviews

At the top schools, the players are worth even more. Here are the 10 schools where basketball players are worth in the most:


And here are the top-10 schools where football players are worth the most:

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres...e-worth-2013-3

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JerseySuave dropping some knowledge!! Thanks for enlightening these young bucks.

Again, it's not about XYZ players getting money because they're broke, it's about protecting student athletes who are exploited in all facets by big corporations and their colleges.

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