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Old 03-26-2014, 06:39 PM   #9
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They got a free education! That's what they got. Doesn't seem like nothing to me, does it? Let's not forget that above all, a university is a learning center. Universities will go on if sports dropped off the face of the earth. Not the other way around. Paying athletes causes a profound issue at the heart of academia. Nobody paid me for the papers I co-wrote for my college. And you know why? Because they provided all the tools necessary for it. You argue that the players bring attention to the school. If those kids were playing at a random playground filled with 64 individual teams, they would have gained zero noteriety. The school put the field in place. They put the court in place. And they put the diamond in place. They signed and negotiated the TV deals, alot of the time, before a player steps in the university. That itself has intrinsic value. So what does the player get? Noteriety by putting on the school uniform. A full ride, saving them thousands in the future on payback and interest. And if they're good enough, they get to play professionally. Sounds like a great deal to me. If they want to eat, get a $2,500 loan for every year on campus. That's more than enough. And still lower than the average college loan amount by a wide margin. And lastly, no one offered Texas A&M anything just for signing Johnny Football. Texas and other schools offered him as a DB. The initials turned out to be right, but I'm getting side-tracked. A&M gave him an oppurtunity. They played him, they discovered his talents. They put him in a position to profit by allowing him the right to lead their offense and play the most valuable position in the sport. He's doing just well for himself.
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Old 03-26-2014, 06:53 PM   #10
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And you really want to know why universities will never pay their athletes? Walk-ons. Heard of them? These kids get nothing and play for their pure love of the game. Or hopes of getting simply a scholarship. Ohio St, Michigan, Texas, Stanford all the big colleges don't need athletics to boost admission. If there is someone willing to play for free, why pay at all? Scholarships are there for kids who devote their extra time to activities and simply don't have the time for second jobs. And since the bigger schools will never pay, and would probably boycott playing outliers, it will never happen. Pure economics say there is no need to pay, simply because the demand isn't there. Someone, somewhere, will always be more than happier to do it at the minimum amount, their time. College isn't a place to make money. It's there to prepare you for life after. Intrinsic value of it all far outstrips the monetary value.
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Old 03-26-2014, 09:00 PM   #11
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I'm probably coming across terrible. Look, I want to see the athletes fairly compensated. But that's not how things work. If so McDonald's would be paying more than minimum wages to half it's workforce. The NCAA is a governing body. Unlike the NFL which actually owns the league. The payments would have to come from the schools themselves. Which would turn all athletes into employees of the school. So to start off, the school will be paying out money. Do you think this won't pass back to the fans any? Since they're now employees they will open themselves up to a mutiny of possible lawsuits. Each school has about a thousand athletes competing. As the prices go up, the student section will probably disappear. Pageantry, out the window. The NFL makes millions, and everyone gets their take on a team owner basis. The NCAA isn't organized like that. And when you have a few schools athletic departments actually making money, it will cause a massive financial strain on college sports. Simply put, the way things are structured now, colleges simply cannot pay their athletes. Yeah it's a million dollar industry, but colleges aren't the only ones solely benefitting. And only a select few really only play the sports to become a professional. 99% of everyone else is just happy with the scholarship. But if a debate about getting paid more popped up in your field, you'd join the discussion as well.

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Old 03-26-2014, 09:40 PM   #12
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Someone is over-valuing the economic worth of a "free" college education in the 21st century global marketplace of labor supply and demand. Good luck with that free education when you go up against an Ivory school grad who is actually an academic or the guy on the other side of the globe who only demands .50 cents/hour.
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If they want to eat, get a loan? Do you know how dumb you sound? How about the school at least give the kids enough money to eat on? They are expecting these kids to perform like Formula 1 cars and are giving them enough money to get a quarter of a tank of regular unleaded.
Not only that, but some of these schools arent getting these kids an actual education, they are putting them in "Football Degrees" that anyone with half a brain could pass, USING them for football then "graduating" them to inflate the schools numbers. Meanwhile that young man goes out into the work force with nothing to show for it, and cant find a job. Sure, some of the fault is on the kid, but not all of it. Not by a long shot. Some people don't learn as easily as others and no one at that University cares if the kid learns or not, rendering his "free education" worthless.
College athletics are a JOB. The hours the players put in between practice, film, games etc consume their lives. Let's take the college wrestler at tOSU for example. He put in years and years and thousands of hours perfecting his craft. Yet when he reached the Pinnacle of his craft, he got..what? A medal and a pat on the back? While his AD rewarded himself with another 18 GRAND?! Who is benifiting from whom here?

Sure, colleges could drop sports and still go on. But why would some place like Texas, Ohio State, Oklahoma etc do that? They are raking in over 100 million a year off of one sport and a free labor force. I'm not saying they need to be paying these kids 100k a year, not even 50k a year, hell not even 25k a year. Im saying give them something, give them enough that they aren't having to steal just to feed themselves in the off season. Give them some sort of insurance in case they tear their ACL and ruin their career, so that they have something to fall back on once the school casts them aside as defective. Allow them to make money off of THEIR own image. Why South Carolina sell a number 7 Clowney jersey and make 60-70 bucks a pop with NONE of it going to the name on the back of the jersey?
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Old 03-27-2014, 03:47 PM   #14
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How is getting a student loan to eat dumb? I know many non-athletes who did just that to make ends meet while in college. I'm simply saying the outlet is there for them to have decent campus lives through various means. And another thing, SCHOOLS DO PAY FOR ATHLETES TO EAT! They get $4 a meal. Might not sound appeasing to you, but one student loan of $5,000 would cover all their meals for four yeas on campus in addition to the $4 dollars. Anyone cant eat off of $10 a meal.

I know tons of athletes who graduated with advanced degrees. Those who graduate with football degrees are of no concern to me. That's there decision. They wouldn't be playing the game if they thought it couldn't lead to anything meaningful, or was a benefit to them. No one is forcing them to take a scholarship. No one is forcing them to suit up and play every Saturday. They made the decision full-knowing of the ramificaitons.

Student loans sounds dumb, won't get over that anytime soon, lol.
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Re: Sports Daily: Getting Paid Edition

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Someone is over-valuing the economic worth of a "free" college education in the 21st century global marketplace of labor supply and demand. Good luck with that free education when you go up against an Ivory school grad who is actually an academic or the guy on the other side of the globe who only demands .50 cents/hour.
If the work can be done by third-world factory worker, I highly doubt it would be desired by a college graduate here, let alone an Ivy Leaguer, lol. What a load of bull. To the average worker in America- Be on the lookout for them Ivy League graduates and third-world factory workers, they exist only to steal your job! 3% of all college graduates are unemployed. Judging by who post on here, I doubt 97% of us are Ivy League graduates...
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The point is that college-level job opportunities commensurate with the cost of living required to maintain a middle class lifestyle are shrinking. The most academic graduates (ie Ivy leaguers) are now looking for jobs that they would have scoffed at 20 years ago. The jock graduate can't compete with them. Likewise the lower paying entry level hourly jobs that paid college grads $20/hour are going overseas in a globalized job market.

In addition, the majority of college grads with employment are from the boomer generation. Also, many gen x and millenials with college degrees are working jobs that don't require degrees because of the shrinkage in middle class jobs. And there are many who are underemployed - working less than full time. So again, the world has changed, the value of a college education has dropped, earnings have not kept up with inflation, and if you are not connected or very very smart at what you do the day you graduate, good luck finding a job that will do anything other than get you paycheck to paycheck living.

To further belabor the point, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York recently released a study (volume 20, #1 in current issues: economics and finance) noting that the underemployment rate for recent college grads (ages 22-27) was 44% as of 2012. This is up from 34% in 2001.

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