The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

[Millennium]

Here it is...

You can discuss the game in this thread. But there will be a couple of rules:

- No comparisons. Just like the other parts of OS, I don't wasn't to see ANY references to the other football games. The talk STAYS on the Joe Montana game. The first pot shot and we go back to no discussion.

- Be respectful to others. If you don't want to talk about Joe Montana Football, stay out of the thread. Don't respond to trolls, report them.

- Speculation. We don't know what we don't know. Don't go insane. Small reaches are okay, but if something isn't confirmed, better to leave it out of this thread.

- Confirmed information. HAVE PROOF. Not "I heard this here". Post pictures. Post links. Not " So and so alluded to this part of the game here, but he didn't actually say it".

Have at it.

[PRAY IV M3RCY]

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There are a few things for the life of me I cant understand when it comes to Joe Montana Football 16


1. Why hasn't there been an announcement about which consoles the game will be launching on? Its makes zero sense to have your consumers unclear of which platform they should prepare to be using or purchasing for that matter. I thought it was a good idea to get sales straight out of the gate.


2. Why are we still left in the dark on which company is creating this game? That kind of information can also spark interest and hype if its a company that people can trust and believe can put out a quality product.


I just cant reasonably get my hopes up for this "game" that has only been announced via twitter. I do appreciate that we finally have a thread about this game but in the end we know absolutely nothing. Its so frustrating for people that want a new football game.

[Gridiron]

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There are a few things for the life of me I cant understand when it comes to Joe Montana Football 16


1. Why hasn't there been an announcement about which consoles the game will be launching on? Its makes zero sense to have your consumers unclear of which platform they should prepare to be using or purchasing for that matter. I thought it was a good idea to get sales straight out of the gate.


2. Why are we still left in the dark on which company is creating this game? That kind of information can also spark interest and hype if its a company that people can trust and believe can put out a quality product.


I just cant reasonably get my hopes up for this "game" that has only been announced via twitter. I do appreciate that we finally have a thread about this game but in the end we know absolutely nothing. Its so frustrating for people that want a new football game.

I agree dude. I'm buying no matter what but I can understand 100% why cats hate how they go about things. The platform and release time hiding is the strangest thing Ive prolly seen in a minute with a game. I just feel like they don't know what theyre doing.

There should be a spot to chat up about the game no doubt, it is a relevant topic ya know, but I cant fault Millennium for taking the stance he took. People just wanna know what to prepare for and the JMF staff is giving us nothing, not even basic info.

APF was a lot like this, where the poor way they were presenting the game to the public became more of a story than the game itself. If this is Joe Montanas idea, these dudes need to talk to Joe and show him how APF's marketing/promo went down and how the media got p'd off at all the cat and mouse gaming they started doing. We're at that point now. On the real, not all pub is good pub.

[bringbacksimfootball]

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APF was a lot like this, where the poor way they were presenting the game to the public became more of a story than the game itself. If this is Joe Montanas idea, these dudes need to talk to Joe and show him how APF's marketing/promo went down and how the media got p'd off at all the cat and mouse gaming they started doing. We're at that point now. On the real, not all pub is good pub.

As long as they don't start sending out cease and desist notices to sites to take down their pics just a month before release like 2K did with APF, I think they'll come out better, lol.

[simbayless]

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My biggest pet peeve is why jm16 don't have there own forum for feedback?you would think they would have a forum month's ago since its a unlicensed football games.Something is going on and its fishy.I feel if there is no news in April,they might not be confident in there product or something huge news is coming e3.My opinion is if this unlicensed you promote the hell out of it get your name heard,feet wet,or if this is truly is a licenses game you want to surprise the community who been so thirsty for another alternative

[bringbacksimfootball]

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My biggest pet peeve is why jm16 don't have there own forum for feedback?you would think they would have a forum month's ago since its a unlicensed football games.Something is going on and its fishy.I feel if there is no news in April,they might not be confident in there product or something huge news is coming e3.My opinion is if this unlicensed you promote the hell out of it get your name heard,feet wet,or if this is truly is a licenses game you want to surprise the community who been so thirsty for another alternative

You're right 100%.They have one helluva mountain to climb and they need to give themselves as many advantages as they can. It's the way it's done. However, they're treating the way they communicate how you'd expect a mobile game to be treated.

Only negs could be that its a mobile game, or it's a one-platform exclusive, or its going to be released on last gen systems only or something crazy like that. Otherwise, the secrecy surrounding platforms and release times makes no sense. I'm seriously not understanding their thought process. I remember with APF marketing and promoting was done so awful I just assumed it was a cloak to a larger plan, but eventually it became evident that they really had no clear plan at all and even that reflected in the product. I'm starting to feel like this could be a repeat. I don't want to believe that, I'm just asking them for a reason not to.

[simbayless]

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You're right 100%.They have one helluva mountain to climb and they need to give themselves as many advantages as they can. It's the way it's done. However, they're treating the way they communicate how you'd expect a mobile game to be treated.

Only negs could be that its a mobile game, or it's a one-platform exclusive, or its going to be released on last gen systems only or something crazy like that. Otherwise, the secrecy surrounding platforms and release times makes no sense. I'm seriously not understanding their thought process. I remember with APF marketing and promoting was done so awful I just assumed it was a cloak to a larger plan, but eventually it became evident that they really had no clear plan at all and even that reflected in the product. I'm starting to feel like this could be a repeat. I don't want to believe that, I'm just asking them for a reason not to.

Yea thats true too,but it wouldn't make business sense for a company to fund a exclusive unlicensed football game knowing there is a giant out there.lets use our heads and ask ourselves do you really think consumers gonna go ape crazy and pay $400 for (console) a exclusive unlicensed football game?the sim community is small.

[kjcheezhead]

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I would like to see them get their own forums up so we have a place to go for JMF 16 info without worrying all the threads will get locked, but I don't agree they need a ton of feedback. They seem to have a clear idea of the game they are trying to create.

It's true APF had a ton of cloak and dagger but the game on the field is the best we've ever had in a football game. It's biggest flaw was lack of customization and a franchise mode. Damon has said this game's franchise mode will be its soul and it will have deep customization.

Most recently someone tweeted him if it was safe to assume JMF will be inspired more by 2ks games than any other line of football game. Damon Grow' s response was that would be safe.

I would say if you want to give feedback, tweet him with parts of 2k you really liked or hated and what you really want to see be customisable.

[bringbacksimfootball]

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Yea thats true too,but it wouldn't make business sense for a company to fund a exclusive unlicensed football game knowing there is a giant out there.lets use our heads and ask ourselves do you really think consumers gonna go ape crazy and pay $400 for (console) a exclusive unlicensed football game?the sim community is small.

Development size and product goals have a lot do with things. A lot of gamers are led to believe that in order to make a game you need a huge team, and to turn a profit you need to sell millions of games, but this is not true in all cases. If your development is small but effective you can sell far less and be profitable. Back in "the day" this is what made 2K Sports the wiz kids; being able to develop big on small budgets and smaller teams than their competition, and they still do it today when looking at it comparatively.

The other thing is, it costs more money to be on multiple console platforms because of platform licensing costs, and because coordinating the development for multiple platforms with differing development needs adds higher production costs. Because of that, it's often more cost effective to develop for one platform as opposed to multiple. This is why Nerjyzed decided to make BCFX an XBOX 360 exclusive, and why Midway chose XBOX 360-only for their updated version of the non-NFL licensed Blitz The League 1.

I think gamers often look at the end point of making more money by being on multiple platforms but not at the production expenses associated with that which have to be cleared before ever reaching the stage of selling the game to make that profit.

I want the game to be on more than one platform. Yet, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the game were exclusive to one platform, but that was just one reason I thought of for them to be approaching things the way they are. It has to be one of those reasons I mentioned, because otherwise nothing they're doing with the secrecy on that will have made any sense. I mean, if the game is coming to both PS4 and XBOX One, what is the benefit to hiding that especially for a non-NFL licensed game? I wouldn't see the point.

[bringbacksimfootball]

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I would like to see them get their own forums up so we have a place to go for JMF 16 info without worrying all the threads will get locked, but I don't agree they need a ton of feedback. They seem to have a clear idea of the game they are trying to create.

Feedback is useless at this point because the game is likely at the stage where nothing significant can be done based on fan input anyway. Forums should've been up last year, and yep they would've been helpful. They pretty much always are, just ask Sony who I'm certain knows what they're doing and takes them deadly serious which has led to countless improvement to PS4: http://share.blog.us.playstation.com/

Or The Game Creators with GameGuru who have been doing it since, what? 1999?: https://forum.game-guru.com/

... and there are countless other examples showing how effective they are. I'm sure some early input on those low sloping helmets would've helped because if those are going to be the final product helmets, they made a mistake there that could've been avoided, and visually it's a pretty big mistake to be honest. Sometimes you need outside eyes on things because as a creator of something you're wrapped up in your own way of seeing something and that can sometimes be a problem.

The other thing is, we actually don't know if they have a clear idea of what they're doing or not. We know nothing. All we have is a screenshot and some tweeting most of which is vague and cryptic.

I would say if you want to give feedback, tweet him with parts of 2k you really liked or hated and what you really want to see be customisable.

It's more than likely too late for that now. For Montana 17, if there will be one, I expect them to make a lot of a changes that differ from how they approached things this first time around.

[FaceMask]

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Forums should've been up last year, and yep they would've been helpful. They pretty much always are, just ask Sony who I'm certain knows what they're doing and takes them deadly serious which has led to countless improvement to PS4: http://share.blog.us.playstation.com/

Or The Game Creators with GameGuru who have been doing it since, what? 1999?: https://forum.game-guru.com/

Just true. Nothing more to be said on that.

The other thing is, we actually don't know if they have a clear idea of what they're doing or not. We know nothing. All we have is a screenshot and some tweeting most of which is vague and cryptic.

If the game design reflects how they've gone about handling the reveal to the public, then, lol, they're in big trouble.

It's more than likely too late for that now. For Montana 17, if there will be one, I expect them to make a lot of a changes that differ from how they approached things this first time around.

I have to believe it's too late at this point, too. For a new sports game, early input is more beneficial. Sure, you can patch later, but patches costs production time which = money, so it's not like we should expect them to take the feedback and patch a ton to put in the things they didn't ask us for at the beginning. That would be unreasonable. If anything, whatever feedback we'll offer on the game when it's properly revealed will have to be used mostly for JMF 17 because by then JMF 16 will be a done deal.

[kjcheezhead]

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How do you know it's a done deal? We don't know the release date. It might not come out until the end of September or really December for all we know. People are assuming July simply because some random guy made a post that said that.

Not to mention that if this is a smaller team, they can make huge changes right up until the game goes gold unlike a huge project that has to clear things with marketing or the suits or whatever. It's not even April yet. I heard APFs entire development time was like 7 months.

[kehlis]

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Feedback is useless at this point because the game is likely at the stage where nothing significant can be done based on fan input anyway.

Just true. Nothing more to be said on that.

It's only too late if there is in fact a JM16 but has that even been confirmed anywhere other than in the post (genuinely asking, may have missed it)?

If the intention was never to release until next year the hints, whispers, and mysteries of the game would make a lot more sense.

[FaceMask]

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How do you know it's a done deal? We don't know the release date. It might not come out until the end of September or really December for all we know. People are assuming July simply because some random guy made a post that said that.

I'm not assuming any date.

The point I made is that when the game is revealed entirely then you'll know it's all but finished and coming out soon. I sincerely doubt they'd do a full reveal for a game coming next year. Now, if the game is coming next year, then no reveal at all is really needed.

Not to mention that if this is a smaller team, they can make huge changes right up until the game goes gold

A smaller team generally wouldn't be able to make huge changes to a project with the type of scope a football game demands, especially not that close to going Gold, it's too risky, and from the way they've come across I'd be surprised if their team is as big as 2K's old football dev team or even Natural Motion's for that matter.

unlike a huge project that has to clear things with marketing or the suits or whatever. It's not even April yet. I heard APFs entire development time was like 7 months.

APF's development was remarkably short according to their own devs, but they also weren't building a game ground-up, they were working with a tried and true code base and only rewrote a few key components due to necessity of translation. They also happened to be the most talented group of football developers ever assembled, so it's no disrespects for me not to expect JMF devs to be able to develop at that level and speed. It would actually be unfair to expect that from them, not to mention with it being their first time out.

[Kanobi]

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Personally, I don't mind the way they're going about it right now. They don't want to reveal anything and that's both fine and understandable. I'd like to see more as we approach E3 but even then I'd be okay with little to no info. I'd rather they blow the roof off at E3 and generate major buzz with a shipload of media from the game.

After that, however, they need to be really aggressive with marketing as they game closes in on release. Im praying their TV ads are nothing like the old NFL2k campaigns and that they actually showcase the gameplay, presentation and Unreal 4 engine at work.