AI catching everything on Heisman

[chitown1-23]

“Git gud” “turn down the difficulty” yadayadayada. I was told the AI gets no boosts on Heisman which clearly isn’t the case. I can lay a hit stick on the AI immediately and 99% of the time he catches it where as if it happens to me I dropped it 99%. All I’m asking for is a fair game. I love the game, it’s fun but stuff like this is just annoying. I also hate how it seems my AI teammates lose awareness although I have nothing to back that up.

[kingsofthevalley]

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You beat me to it! Game had me HEATED yesterday. I’m talking, my WRs dropped near EVERY SINGLE pass (I’m not embellishing to juice the story either lol), the slightest touch and the ball pops out, while it happened all of ONE time to the CPU. They’ll hold on to everything.

So I said, you know what, I gotta trick for y’all cheating a@@es. Bumped my WR catch up to 60 and dropped the CPUs to 45, but guess what, exact same outcome. I’m like, you gotta be kiddin me!

I ain’t done with the magic �� tricks however. Outside of this issue, I think I’ve found the perfect set of sliders for Heisman. As far as catching sliders, I’m about to nerf the CPU down to hell. Increments of five they say? Yea right, I’m about to go sub atomic on their a@@, I’m hitting em with a 20 point decrease tomorrow, and bumpin mine up 20. Maybe more than that, 10 for you, 100 for me. They’re getting their due issue tomorrow, F that!

I’m surprised no one else has mentioned this, we can’t be the only ones.

We’re about to find out if these sliders really work because I’m about to go drastic with it.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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You beat me to it! Game had me HEATED yesterday. I’m talking, my WRs dropped near EVERY SINGLE pass (I’m not embellishing to juice the story either lol), the slightest touch and the ball pops out, while it happened all of ONE time to the CPU. They’ll hold on to everything.

So I said, you know what, I gotta trick for y’all cheating a@@es. Bumped my WR catch up to 60 and dropped the CPUs to 45, but guess what, exact same outcome. I’m like, you gotta be kiddin me!

I ain’t done with the magic �� tricks however. Outside of this issue, I think I’ve found the perfect set of sliders for Heisman. As far as catching sliders, I’m about to nerf the CPU down to hell. Increments of five they say? Yea right, I’m about to go sub atomic on their a@@, I’m hitting em with a 20 point decrease tomorrow, and bumpin mine up 20. Maybe more than that, 10 for you, 100 for me. They’re getting their due issue tomorrow, F that!

I’m surprised no one else has mentioned this, we can’t be the only ones.

We’re about to find out if these sliders really work because I’m about to go drastic with it.

Sliders do work but I had to go really drastic. I set CPU to 33 and Human to 66. I'm satisfied with the results tho its on All-American not Heisman.

[Kramer5150]

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I've all but reached my breaking point with Heisman difficulty. I have tried various settings and yea I tried them for multiple games, but the end result has been the same....if the CPU needs either a score or that pivotal 3rd down conversion, they are going to get it.

I currently have CPU WR catch at 20, and do you think my Buckeye defense (which is rated at 96) can knock the ball loose on a big hit to the WR...but let the CPU defense hit my receiver and watch him drop it...lol

I just now quit a game out of sheer frustration, and which also leads me to getting tired of going down to the pit of slider hell.

The game I just quit out of saw the Buckeyes pretty much dominate the 1st Q and midway through the 2nd...then it happened...lmao

I had to punt and ended up pinning them at about their 13 yard line...then what happened next literally blew my mind...

If anybody here is old enough, and happens to remember "The Drive" from 1987, where John Elway drove the Bronco's down the field for the tying TD..this is exactly what happened to me.

No matter the defense I called, run commit, pass commit..man, zone nothing worked...also pinching my dline didn't matter, because their oline played like NFL seasoned pro's parting my dline like the Red Sea.

The last thing, please don't get me started on the CPU play during the last 2 minutes of the half, or the final 2 minutes of the game...because much of what I experienced in Madden over the years on All Madden, still remains here.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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I play so good in the first quarter and well enough in the fourth but the middle two quarters are so bad, it feels like the cpu is just taking their foot off the gas in the 4th quarter. I just need to get over the hump in the middle.

[dirk1970]

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Same.

Like in Madden there are games, that you can't win, and I'm not talking about playing @Georgia as a MAC-Team. It's about facing (nearly) same or even weaker OVR teams.

It's been in EA football games for a while now and probably a reaction to people stating, that they "can't lose a single game". In the late PS3 era you also had these kind of games, that were really tough to win. But you had a chance, when you played it perfectly for 60 min straight.

Catching issues are not the only way they do it. It's lines, tackling, flags. It's defenses who know exactly what you're going to do on almost every play. It's receivers, who are supposed to run picks routes, but instead go vertical.

In CFB25 there are games, where you can't complete a single HB screen pass, because he gets stuck in a group of defenders who encircle him right away after the snap on every try. Likewise AI defenders will sniff out WR screens on every try in other games.


I'm not whining about losing. I'm complaining about the all to obvious and cheap methods, how EA makes sure, you can't win every single game.

[kingsofthevalley]

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I've all but reached my breaking point with Heisman difficulty. I have tried various settings and yea I tried them for multiple games, but the end result has been the same....if the CPU needs either a score or that pivotal 3rd down conversion, they are going to get it.

I currently have CPU WR catch at 20, and do you think my Buckeye defense (which is rated at 96) can knock the ball loose on a big hit to the WR...but let the CPU defense hit my receiver and watch him drop it...lol

I just now quit a game out of sheer frustration, and which also leads me to getting tired of going down to the pit of slider hell.

The game I just quit out of saw the Buckeyes pretty much dominate the 1st Q and midway through the 2nd...then it happened...lmao

I had to punt and ended up pinning them at about their 13 yard line...then what happened next literally blew my mind...

If anybody here is old enough, and happens to remember "The Drive" from 1987, where John Elway drove the Bronco's down the field for the tying TD..this is exactly what happened to me.

No matter the defense I called, run commit, pass commit..man, zone nothing worked...also pinching my dline didn't matter, because their oline played like NFL seasoned pro's parting my dline like the Red Sea.

The last thing, please don't get me started on the CPU play during the last 2 minutes of the half, or the final 2 minutes of the game...because much of what I experienced in Madden over the years on All Madden, still remains here.

I’m currently playing Akron and have quit the game every time because of the obvious catching issue. I think I’ve started over about 10 times at this point
lol, and don’t get me wrong, I don’t care about losing (I’m 1-3), but it’s not going to be from blatant cheating (and that’s exactly what’s happening right now)

[kingsofthevalley]

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Ok, you sons of b@@chs lol, y'all want to play hard ball? Very well then, CPU QB acc is going down to 15 for their transgressions, CPU WR catch is getting tanked to 30. I have a few minutes before work, lets get a general feel for it now. I'll report back.

[dirk1970]

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CPU QB acc is going down to 15 for their transgressions, CPU WR catch is getting tanked to 30.

I only played one game. First impression: CPU catching seems to do the trick. I saw 5 CPU drops on contested catches/in traffic. CPU accuracy didn't do a thing. The CPU QB was still laser sharp on almost every pass, but he has decent ratings: THP 95, SAC 89, MAC 86, DAC 81, so that needs definitly further testing.

[UtahUtes32]

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“Git gud” “turn down the difficulty” yadayadayada. I was told the AI gets no boosts on Heisman which clearly isn’t the case. I can lay a hit stick on the AI immediately and 99% of the time he catches it where as if it happens to me I dropped it 99%. All I’m asking for is a fair game. I love the game, it’s fun but stuff like this is just annoying. I also hate how it seems my AI teammates lose awareness although I have nothing to back that up.

I forgot that we were told there would be no ratings boosts on Heisman for the CPU. I 100% agree that the CPU catches way too many contested catches, sometimes even if they are getting hit sticked.

[BA2929]

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You guys really need to find out where the sliders tab is and start using it (I'm not talking about some of you that actually mentioned sliders). They actually work and the parts of the game you guys are hating can actually be fixed with a few tab movements. If something at 20 doesn't work, set it to 0 and see what happens. Don't forget to adjust the User defensive settings as well. USER Pass Def Reaction Time and Pass coverage sliders really help on defense.

A friend of mine was really struggling with defense on Varsity (he hasn't played a football game in literally 10 years). He was getting close to dropping to Freshman and basically resigning himself to winning every game 78-0. I told him to tank the CPU QB accuracy and adjust the sliders I mentioned above. He then blew out the CPU by 60 points and finally had a light go on at the end of the tunnel because now he knows what to adjust to fix his issues.

Heisman is a different beast, and maybe some of you need to drop to AA and just adjust the sliders the opposite way to find a better middle ground. Heisman is SUPPOSED to be ridiculous and hard. That's the entire point of it.

(And please don't just play 1 game and say the sliders don't work and give up. Sliders testing need multiple games of adjustments)

[chitown1-23]

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You guys really need to find out where the sliders tab is and start using it (I'm not talking about some of you that actually mentioned sliders). They actually work and the parts of the game you guys are hating can actually be fixed with a few tab movements. If something at 20 doesn't work, set it to 0 and see what happens. Don't forget to adjust the User defensive settings as well. USER Pass Def Reaction Time and Pass coverage sliders really help on defense.

A friend of mine was really struggling with defense on Varsity (he hasn't played a football game in literally 10 years). He was getting close to dropping to Freshman and basically resigning himself to winning every game 78-0. I told him to tank the CPU QB accuracy and adjust the sliders I mentioned above. He then blew out the CPU by 60 points and finally had a light go on at the end of the tunnel because now he knows what to adjust to fix his issues.

Heisman is a different beast, and maybe some of you need to drop to AA and just adjust the sliders the opposite way to find a better middle ground. Heisman is SUPPOSED to be ridiculous and hard. That's the entire point of it.

(And please don't just play 1 game and say the sliders don't work and give up. Sliders testing need multiple games of adjustments)

I’m sorry this, “it’s heisman” isn’t a valid reason. It’s like enemies in The Elder Scrolls just becoming more spongier and me doing less damage just to make it harder. It’s just annoying. When we are told the AI gets no boosts we have the right to point this out. I shouldn’t have to rely on sliders.

[Kramer5150]

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Just wanted to pop in real quick...I have been going at it all morning with these damn sliders, trying this and trying that...the last game I played I jacked up Pass Reaction and Pass Coverage to 95, with int at 47, played against Western Michigan again and still witnessed the same poor defense as before..

So then I figured "what the hell"...so I tested a long shot theory, and what I have witnessed up till this point ALMOST has me convinced...I kept int at 47, but for this game I lowered pass coverage and reaction to 2, yes that's right 2!

So far at the half against Western Michigan? The Buckeyes (me) are currently whipping the pants of the WM Broncos 35-0.

Their QB is 8-12 for 63 yards and 1 int, so what this tells me, is like Madden the pass coverage and reaction sliders don't really do much of anything...especially when cranked up.

Obviously this is a very early test, BUT in comparison to all the other tests I have ran, this one is the closet I've witnessed to actual defense being played on the user side.

[canes21]

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I’m sorry this, “it’s heisman” isn’t a valid reason. It’s like enemies in The Elder Scrolls just becoming more spongier and me doing less damage just to make it harder. It’s just annoying. When we are told the AI gets no boosts we have the right to point this out. I shouldn’t have to rely on sliders.

The CPU getting ratings boosts and having to rely on sliders are two separate issues. The CPU isn't getting boosts. That's not why they catch everything. They catch everything because this game is tuned significantly in the offense's favor and that's why QB's don't miss and WR's don't drop the ball on default settings, for both the user and CPU teams.

You don't have to rely on sliders to counter any boosts the CPU is getting because they are not getting them. You have to rely on sliders to adjust the game to play more like how you want it to play vs how EA wants it to play.

If the CPU was getting ratings boosts in the catching department and the User wasn't, then I wouldn't need to drop both catch sliders to around 38-40 in my slider set to get the same drop frequency with equally rated players. The CPU value would need to go noticeably lower to counter any ratings boosts, but I haven't had to do that.

[Kramer5150]

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Game just finished, with the Buckeyes winning pretty easily 69-0...what stood out to me was the fact that Western Michigan's QB finished the game going 14-36 for 142 yards with 5 int's with one being a pick 6.

They did have quite a few drops, but that is an easy fix although I don't want to raise WR catch by a lot, the main standout here is the fact at pass coverage at 2 as well as reaction at 2 my defense played BETTER in comparison to my settings at 95 for both.

The other difference however, is the INT slider, much like past Maddens this also seemed to act as sort of a "go get em" slider if you will...lol. At a lower setting I just wasn't seeing the same urgency as I witnessed with a higher setting.

I'm going to raise CPU wr catch up by 5 clicks in hope that hard hits will still dislodge the ball at times, but I am leaving the pass reaction and pass coverage as well as ints alone, and will obviously go against a better team....we shall see.