Veer in Shoot is playground football

[iliveaboveasubway]

and I love it.

Started an FIU dynasty in honor of Billy Gil, the Duke, and had never even heard of Veer and Shoot.

I did the UT tutorial and played some.

This can't be a real offense? Right? The wideouts are a yard from the sideline on every formation

[iliveaboveasubway]

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"Why is it called veer offense?
It is the core blocking scheme in both the split-back veer and the flexbone option offense. The term “veer” refers to the O-line blocking down and creating a “wall of butts” to the inside that the dive back “veers” off from. Inside veer: the veer or point of attack occurs at the B-gap."

Oh, a wall of butts you say.

[jello1717]

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It’s real. Tennessee is prolly the biggest school to use it.

[jello1717]

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and I love it.

Started an FIU dynasty in honor of Billy Gil, the Duke, and had never even heard of Veer and Shoot.

I did the UT tutorial and played some.

This can't be a real offense? Right? The wideouts are a yard from the sideline on every formation

Couldn’t find a great picture in my quick search, but here you go.

[iliveaboveasubway]

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Couldn’t find a great picture in my quick search, but here you go.

Gotta check highlights ha. I just read Ole Miss does something similar

[iliveaboveasubway]

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[canes21]

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I love running this offense. It's tough if you don't have the OL or QB to run it properly, but it can put up points quickly when you get it running.

If you want to see the offense running like a well-oiled machine in real life, go back and watch the 2010's Baylor teams.

[AUguy26]

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I love running the Veer and Shoot. I made a custom pb with a blend of the veer and shoot and run and shoot, and it's amazing. I am a big fan of choice routes and letting the defense dictate which routes the wrs run. I did a lot of studying of how the offense works so I know how to read the defenses and what decisions to make.

[Haze88]

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and I love it.

Started an FIU dynasty in honor of Billy Gil, the Duke, and had never even heard of Veer and Shoot.

I did the UT tutorial and played some.

This can't be a real offense? Right? The wideouts are a yard from the sideline on every formation

It's been around since the 2010s at least at Baylor with Art and Kendal Briles, it was just never adapted into the games. I use some of the formations in my offense too and it's a great way to stress a defense if you have the horses for it.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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The Veer and Shoot is the kind ball EA must have been talking about when they were touting 'wide open game play'. But it doesnt put me in the frame of mind as playground football. I think of that as football with no pads or a helmet. But the defense in CFB 25 reminds me of playground football, because there may or may not be much tackling if any lol.

[pietasterp]

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I primarily have been running Veer-and-Shoot offense, and while I like it conceptually, one of the things that bugs me about it is that on many of the WR screens/bubbles (especially if you are on one hash and the screen is on the opposite side of the field boundary), the game doesn't have a camera angle that will let you see out that wide, so you can't make the proper read on the play. Even the "All-22" cam (which oddly doesn't show all 22 players) doesn't actually zoom out that far, and so I have to just treat those plays like a run with no option, because otherwise you'd be throwing blind.

But it is annoying when I look at the replay and see the corners bail out immediately after the snap, and realize I could have thrown the screen for at least 5-7 free yards, but for the fact that I couldn't see that side of the field.

[canes21]

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I primarily have been running Veer-and-Shoot offense, and while I like it conceptually, one of the things that bugs me about it is that on many of the WR screens/bubbles (especially if you are on one hash and the screen is on the opposite side of the field boundary), the game doesn't have a camera angle that will let you see out that wide, so you can't make the proper read on the play. Even the "All-22" cam (which oddly doesn't show all 22 players) doesn't actually zoom out that far, and so I have to just treat those plays like a run with no option, because otherwise you'd be throwing blind.

But it is annoying when I look at the replay and see the corners bail out immediately after the snap, and realize I could have thrown the screen for at least 5-7 free yards, but for the fact that I couldn't see that side of the field.

In real life you're not going to be running any screens to the wide side of the field if you're on or very near one of the hashes. You'd run the screen to the short side of the field. That's how this offense works. If you're on a hash, you'll be active on that side of the field and dead on the other.

Here are some examples.

You have the stack on the boundary side. The two WR's on the field side literally don't even run routes on this play, all the action is between the two boundary WR's.



And here they are after the snap, see how the field WR's are literally walking/joggng and taking the play off?



Baylor back in the day did the same thing. They are in bunch on the boundary with a lone WR on the field side.



And after the snap the field side WR is taking the play off while the boundary WR's do their thing. It's hard to tell with just screenshots, but he literally just walks from the snap through the entire play.



This isn't to say that every time this offense is on a hash the WR's on the field side take the play off, these were just examples to show you that often times in this offense you literally ignore half the field. That is what makes it so easy and simple for QB's. Just in general, you're not going to be throwing screen to the field side in this offense. It's too long of a throw for that type of play and that's why the teams running this offense in real life basically never do it.

[pietasterp]

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Fair enough, all good points canes21.

I can see the logic in the ultra-wide splits to essentially just eliminate 2 defenders from the field, even if the players over there don't "do" anything per se after the snap.

[PDuncanOSU]

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I love running the Veer and Shoot. I made a custom pb with a blend of the veer and shoot and run and shoot, and it's amazing. I am a big fan of choice routes and letting the defense dictate which routes the wrs run. I did a lot of studying of how the offense works so I know how to read the defenses and what decisions to make.

I am using some of the wide formations and RPOs from the veer n shoot in my custom playbook. I've hesitated going fully in on this system though because of how often the receiver on the choice route doesn't take the route that makes sense to me.

[Haze88]

Re: Veer in Shoot is playground football

In real life you're not going to be running any screens to the wide side of the field if you're on or very near one of the hashes. You'd run the screen to the short side of the field. That's how this offense works. If you're on a hash, you'll be active on that side of the field and dead on the other.

Here are some examples.

You have the stack on the boundary side. The two WR's on the field side literally don't even run routes on this play, all the action is between the two boundary WR's.



And here they are after the snap, see how the field WR's are literally walking/joggng and taking the play off?



Baylor back in the day did the same thing. They are in bunch on the boundary with a lone WR on the field side.



And after the snap the field side WR is taking the play off while the boundary WR's do their thing. It's hard to tell with just screenshots, but he literally just walks from the snap through the entire play.



This isn't to say that every time this offense is on a hash the WR's on the field side take the play off, these were just examples to show you that often times in this offense you literally ignore half the field. That is what makes it so easy and simple for QB's. Just in general, you're not going to be throwing screen to the field side in this offense. It's too long of a throw for that type of play and that's why the teams running this offense in real life basically never do it.

This by the way is the stigma for this offense is it makes the field inherently smaller(IRL) since almost no college QB is throwing a pass to the wide side wide split WRs with any consistency unless it's a crosser, and why Baylor WRs specifically were marked down since they often took plays off if they weren't the primary target on the play.