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  • tessl
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    • Apr 2007
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    Won the Big XII with Iowa State - didn't make the playoff playoffs

    Not sure how the game calculates which teams make the playoffs but with Iowa State I played 10 power 4 schools - Iowa plus 9 Big XII opponents. Went 10-3 winning the Big XII championship game. Didn't make the playoff while 9-3 Texas Tech - which didn't make the championship game in the Big Xii - did make the playoff.

    My first 3 seasons - coach mode - I failed to make a bowl game. 4th season I win the conference and thought winning a power 4 conference would get me into the playoffs.

    Do I need to run up the score on teams? EA should give some info on how that is calculated.
  • noarmsduck
    Pro
    • Mar 2010
    • 997

    #2
    Re: Won the Big XII with Iowa State - didn't make the playoff playoffs

    Not sure how the Big XII ended up not being one of the 5 best conferences. The game is supposed to use that model as it's what the CFP is using this year, so the conference champion should automatically go.

    Might be worth making a thread in the Bugs section for CFB 25 on the EA forums.

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    • Feros Ferio 7
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      • Sep 2016
      • 631

      #3
      Re: Won the Big XII with Iowa State - didn't make the playoff playoffs

      No conferences are guaranteed a spot but 5 conference winners are.

      So it would be conceivable that a conference winner is left out while a different conference member gets an at large bid. Has already happened in one of my dynasties.

      This type of scenario will happen in the NCAA so this wouldn't be a bug issue.


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      • Funkycorm
        Cleveland Baseball Guru
        • Nov 2016
        • 3159

        #4
        Re: Won the Big XII with Iowa State - didn't make the playoff playoffs



        This link explains how the CFP will work using last year as an example.

        Directly from the article:

        The new 12-team College Football Playoff field will include the five highest-ranked conference champions, which will receive automatic bids. The seven highest-ranked teams remaining will round out the 12-team format.

        The top four teams will receive a first-round bye to the quarterfinals.
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        • Ghost Of The Year
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          • Mar 2014
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          Re: Won the Big XII with Iowa State - didn't make the playoff playoffs

          Note to self:
          *Check Iowa State off schools wanting to coach*
          Talk about things nobody cares.

          Screw Discord. Make OS Great Again.

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          • Funkycorm
            Cleveland Baseball Guru
            • Nov 2016
            • 3159

            #6
            Re: Won the Big XII with Iowa State - didn't make the playoff playoffs

            I know there has been confusion about this. But to OP, if you were the 6th highest ranked conference champion but ranked 13th overall on the CFP polls, you would be out of the playoffs per the rules.

            There is no automatic bid for the P4 champions.

            Out of curiosity, did you do any realignment of conferences? If you did return the PAC to the original 12, they become a power conference and it creates 5 power conferences. So if you were the 5th ranked conference champion and 1 G5 champion was ranked higher than you, you would be on the outside looking in, especially if you were not one of the top 7 remaining ranked teams.
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            • tessl
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              • Apr 2007
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              Re: Won the Big XII with Iowa State - didn't make the playoff playoffs

              Originally posted by Funkycorm
              I know there has been confusion about this. But to OP, if you were the 6th highest ranked conference champion but ranked 13th overall on the CFP polls, you would be out of the playoffs per the rules.

              There is no automatic bid for the P4 champions.

              Out of curiosity, did you do any realignment of conferences? If you did return the PAC to the original 12, they become a power conference and it creates 5 power conferences. So if you were the 5th ranked conference champion and 1 G5 champion was ranked higher than you, you would be on the outside looking in, especially if you were not one of the top 7 remaining ranked teams.
              No realignment. What's interesting is Texas Tech made the playoff but did not make the Big XII championship game. I beat BYU who I had already beat in the regular season.

              10 power 4 schools on the schedule plus a power 4 championship - if that happens IRL there will be some upset football fans somewhere.

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              • noarmsduck
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                • Mar 2010
                • 997

                #8
                Re: Won the Big XII with Iowa State - didn't make the playoff playoffs

                Originally posted by Feros Ferio 7
                No conferences are guaranteed a spot but 5 conference winners are.

                So it would be conceivable that a conference winner is left out while a different conference member gets an at large bid. Has already happened in one of my dynasties.

                This type of scenario will happen in the NCAA so this wouldn't be a bug issue.


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                I find it hard to believe that a 10-3 Big XII winner wouldn't be one of the top 5 conference champions. If he's not, then that's a polling logic issue. He also has a better record than the other team from his conference that did make the playoff. Any time this has happened IRL that has not been the case.

                If OSU and Michigan are both 11-1 but OSU goes to the Big 10 title game based on beating Michigan h2h, and loses to 9-3 Iowa, it makes sense if Michigan goes to the CFP over any of them in that scenario. 9-3 Texas Tech making the CFP over 10-3 Big XII champion Iowa State does not make sense.

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                • PSUFreak083
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                  • Jul 2006
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                  Re: Won the Big XII with Iowa State - didn't make the playoff playoffs

                  No you should have been in. The power 4 conference champions get an automatic bid and an automatic first round bye. People are confusing the 5th but that is a guaranteed spot for the highest ranked group of 5 champion.

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                  • Funkycorm
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                    • Nov 2016
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                    #10
                    Re: Won the Big XII with Iowa State - didn't make the playoff playoffs

                    Originally posted by PSUFreak083
                    No you should have been in. The power 4 conference champions get an automatic bid and an automatic first round bye. People are confusing the 5th but that is a guaranteed spot for the highest ranked group of 5 champion.
                    This is not accurate.

                    FYI from this article:

                    The College Football Playoff is getting a makeover in 2024! Check out the new format, bracket, selection committee, schedule and other details.


                    From this article:

                    Who qualifies for the college football playoff?

                    The five highest-ranked conference champions and the next seven highest-ranked teams will earn a spot in the 12-team bracket. There is no limit to how many teams from one conference can qualify. The rules also don't guarantee spots for certain conferences. The champions of the Big 12, SEC, ACC and Big Ten will almost certainly routinely qualify, though, along with the highest-ranked champion from the Mountain West, American Athletic Conference, Sun Belt, Mid-American Conference or Conference USA.
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                    • Feros Ferio 7
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                      Re: Won the Big XII with Iowa State - didn't make the playoff playoffs

                      Originally posted by noarmsduck
                      I find it hard to believe that a 10-3 Big XII winner wouldn't be one of the top 5 conference champions. If he's not, then that's a polling logic issue. He also has a better record than the other team from his conference that did make the playoff. Any time this has happened IRL that has not been the case.



                      If OSU and Michigan are both 11-1 but OSU goes to the Big 10 title game based on beating Michigan h2h, and loses to 9-3 Iowa, it makes sense if Michigan goes to the CFP over any of them in that scenario. 9-3 Texas Tech making the CFP over 10-3 Big XII champion Iowa State does not make sense.


                      It's the CFP, records don't matter. See FSU.


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                      • PSUFreak083
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                        • Jul 2006
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                        Re: Won the Big XII with Iowa State - didn't make the playoff playoffs

                        Originally posted by Funkycorm
                        This is not accurate.

                        FYI from this article:

                        The College Football Playoff is getting a makeover in 2024! Check out the new format, bracket, selection committee, schedule and other details.


                        From this article:

                        Who qualifies for the college football playoff?

                        The five highest-ranked conference champions and the next seven highest-ranked teams will earn a spot in the 12-team bracket. There is no limit to how many teams from one conference can qualify. The rules also don't guarantee spots for certain conferences. The champions of the Big 12, SEC, ACC and Big Ten will almost certainly routinely qualify, though, along with the highest-ranked champion from the Mountain West, American Athletic Conference, Sun Belt, Mid-American Conference or Conference USA.


                        Did you read the whole article? She is incorrect on the first part, and is correct on the second part. It was written into the contract that the power 4 conference champions get an automatic bid. It is how the Big 10 and the SEC got the ACC and the Big 12 to the bargaining table. This has been debated since the terms were agreed upon because most in sports do not agree with automatic bids. Again please read

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                        • polyduster
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                          • Apr 2013
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                          Re: Won the Big XII with Iowa State - didn't make the playoff playoffs

                          Originally posted by PSUFreak083
                          Did you read the whole article? She is incorrect on the first part, and is correct on the second part. It was written into the contract that the power 4 conference champions get an automatic bid. It is how the Big 10 and the SEC got the ACC and the Big 12 to the bargaining table. This has been debated since the terms were agreed upon because most in sports do not agree with automatic bids. Again please read
                          https://collegefootballplayoff.com/s...am-format.aspx

                          Here is an article from the official website. Nowhere does it say the Power 4 conference champions are guaranteed a playoff spot. It only states "the five conference champions ranked highest by the CFP selection committee."

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                          • dylanrocks83
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                            • Sep 2011
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                            #14
                            Re: Won the Big XII with Iowa State - didn't make the playoff playoffs

                            Originally posted by polyduster
                            https://collegefootballplayoff.com/s...am-format.aspx

                            Here is an article from the official website. Nowhere does it say the Power 4 conference champions are guaranteed a playoff spot. It only states "the five conference champions ranked highest by the CFP selection committee."

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                            Hey it’s quite possible that the Big 12 (in real life) will cannibalize themselves and their champ will end up with four losses. On top of that, it is possible that two G5 schools go unbeaten (Mt. West and Sun Belt maybe) and those teams end up ranked higher, thus bumping the Big 12 off. Unlikely, but possible.

                            Only historic precedent I can compare to is in 2004 when Mountain West champ Utah had to play Big East champ Pitt who got an automatic BCS bid merely because they were conference champs, even though there were other more deserving teams. (Pitt had three losses going into the bowls.) I think the committee would try to avoid that (I hope) if such a situation arises again.

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                            • jweakland
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                              • Aug 2010
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                              Re: Won the Big XII with Iowa State - didn't make the playoff playoffs

                              Who all made the playoffs?

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