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  • Locke888
    Rookie
    • Jul 2016
    • 354

    #1

    Forcing wins

    What are your house rules?

    Was thinking forcing wins in power conferences when they play fcs and g5 teams except leaving 1 game to chance in each conference each week. Also no forcing wins for in conference games.

    Or could just roll dice based on the gap between overall ratings? Idk just sad I have to do any of this. Oh well.
    Just another Ohio State Buckeye
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  • Mets_All_The_Way
    Rookie
    • May 2014
    • 48

    #2
    Re: Forcing wins

    I just do it on who is realistic should win, like Ohio State shouldn't lose to Minnesota at home, or lose to the lower teir team like the MAC school. I'm bout to start week 6 and it going to be the first week I have no force win B/c of every game have reasonable outcome. Iowa is 2-2 and they r travel to Columbus to play #1 Ohio State who 4-0. Now it's unlikely Iowa to pull it off but they do have a legitimate chance b/c they do always have a good defense. So it's they pull it's off I'm okay with it.

    I guess it's what u feel is reasonable to u

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    • Wildcats302
      MVP
      • May 2011
      • 1046

      #3
      Re: Forcing wins

      I force win all power 4 teams against group of 5 teams and fcs.

      I dont mess with conference games.

      I also force group of 5 teams that will ruin a realistic playoff to lose. This ensures just one g5 team as 12 seed.

      I do allow that team a fair shot though and don't force them to lose in playoff. In season 3 12 seed Charlotte made the semifinals.

      I'm in season 7 now and the game is getting stale to me. Plus I have only 6 sec games on the schedule...with no custom conferences so idk what is going on with schedule logic now.

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      • cch99
        MVP
        • May 2003
        • 1553

        #4
        Re: Forcing wins

        I rolled 2 ten sides. If it is a total mismatch if I roll a 90% or higher let the sim engine play it out. Anything under force win for favorite.

        If one team should win but I’d believe it if they were beat it’s 75% or higher to let the sim engine decide.

        I only do it for top25.

        To be honest I just stopped doing it though. It was annoying. If a big favorite gets upset they get upset


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        • Locke888
          Rookie
          • Jul 2016
          • 354

          #5
          Re: Forcing wins

          Originally posted by Wildcats302
          I force win all power 4 teams against group of 5 teams and fcs.

          I dont mess with conference games.

          I also force group of 5 teams that will ruin a realistic playoff to lose. This ensures just one g5 team as 12 seed.

          I do allow that team a fair shot though and don't force them to lose in playoff. In season 3 12 seed Charlotte made the semifinals.

          I'm in season 7 now and the game is getting stale to me. Plus I have only 6 sec games on the schedule...with no custom conferences so idk what is going on with schedule logic now.
          Custom conference/schedule logic MUST be their main priority now. It’s hurting me with recruiting and visits.
          Just another Ohio State Buckeye
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          • Momoney168
            Pro
            • Aug 2021
            • 584

            #6
            Re: Forcing wins

            I use a RNG from 1-100. I only do Top 25 games. I assign a % chance that the favorite will win then dice roll. Say for instance I feel a team is an 80% chance then the roll would have to be 19 or less to not force win. If an underdog wins the dice roll I sim the game so there’s still a chance that there isn’t an upset. I don’t dice roll top 15 matchups or all ranked G5 teams. I’ve found that this method gives me pretty solid results.

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            • jello1717
              All Star
              • Feb 2006
              • 5720

              #7
              Forcing wins

              I possibly force for P4 + ND teams vs anyone that they are 6+ OVR points better than.

              I save after my game, but before advancing. Then I advance and look at results. Luckily most of the favorites win anyway, so I don’t need to do much forcing. Anything that is a huge upset (I.e. won by a team 6+ points worse) then I reload my save and stick it thru an RNG.

              1 OVR diff = 10%. Home = +5%. Rivalry = -10% (or I usually just let any rivalry upset stand). 90% is the max, so regardless of the opponent (even FCS) they still have at least a 10% chance to keep their upset.

              I.e. 90 @ home lost to 83 = 70% (OVRs) + 5% (home) = 75% chance to win.
              90 on road vs 84 = 55% chance to win (60% - 5% on road).

              This has given me great results with realistic looking polls, with surprisingly few needed forces. Thru 11 weeks, these are the only games I’ve had to force this season:

              FORCES
              Week 0
              Ohio St
              Week 2
              VTU
              PSU
              Week 3
              VTU
              PSU
              Iowa
              Oregon
              Week 4
              Baylor
              Michigan
              Week 5
              USC
              Week 7
              Notre dame
              Oregon
              Week 8
              USC
              Florida
              Week 10
              VTU
              Clemson

              Edited for formatting.
              Last edited by jello1717; 08-21-2024, 05:17 PM.
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              College #1: Michigan Wolverines
              College #2: Michigan State Spartans (my alma mater)
              College #3: North Carolina Tar Heels
              NHL: Detroit Redwings

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              • bkrich83
                Has Been
                • Jul 2002
                • 71582

                #8
                Re: Forcing wins

                Originally posted by Momoney168
                I use a RNG from 1-100. I only do Top 25 games. I assign a % chance that the favorite will win then dice roll. Say for instance I feel a team is an 80% chance then the roll would have to be 19 or less to not force win. If an underdog wins the dice roll I sim the game so there’s still a chance that there isn’t an upset. I don’t dice roll top 15 matchups or all ranked G5 teams. I’ve found that this method gives me pretty solid results.
                This is essentially what I do as well. It's worked out pretty well actually.
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                • JoshuaN125
                  Rookie
                  • Oct 2022
                  • 40

                  #9
                  Re: Forcing wins

                  There was a good thread on this awhile back, but it's lost in the shuffle by now. Somebody had an idea that you look at the team's overall ratings in the conference standings. A home team with a two point or better advantage would be a force win. Three point advantage needed for a road team. Everything else is left to sim.

                  Of course, this may, or may not ignore injuries. Also, I expanded this to any team playing an FCS is an auto win, and Top 25 vs Top 25 matchups are an automatic sim, so you'll still get a handful of big upsets each season.

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                  • DarthRambo
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 6630

                    #10
                    Re: Forcing wins

                    I have a spreadsheet that has teams listed in each conference with their team overall beside them. I just updated it to begin season two and use it to quickly force wins. My rules are simple enough and worked great season one.

                    Unranked team force win IF: +4ovr and at home. +5ovr if on the road.

                    Ranked team force win IF: +3ovr at home. +4ovr if on the road.

                    Any top 25 matchup I let it go to the sim, and all playoff games I let simulate normally.

                    Year one CFP teams:

                    #12 Syracuse (8-5)
                    #11 Liberty (12-2)
                    #10 Miami (11-3)
                    #9 LSU (11-4)
                    #8 Notre Dame (10-4)...in ACC
                    #7 Oklahoma (11-2)
                    #6 Oregon (12-2)
                    #5 Michigan (14-2)
                    #4 Kansas State (10-4)...won Big 12 championship game.
                    #3 NC State (12-3)...won ACC championship game.
                    #2 Alabama (14-1)...won SEC championship game.
                    #1 Ohio State (15-0)...won Big Ten championship game.

                    Full sim playoffs had #1 Ohio State vs #2 Alabama in the CFF. Ohio State won. Obviously super happy with results. With the spreadsheet in front of me I'm able to force wins if needed for a week in 5-10min so it's nothing for me to do to get much better results than the sim engine provides. In my RTG as backup QB in Tennessee the super sim had them beating FCS team at home in double OT smh.
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                    • DarthRambo
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 6630

                      #11
                      Re: Forcing wins

                      Originally posted by Wildcats302
                      I force win all power 4 teams against group of 5 teams and fcs.

                      I dont mess with conference games.

                      I also force group of 5 teams that will ruin a realistic playoff to lose. This ensures just one g5 team as 12 seed.

                      I do allow that team a fair shot though and don't force them to lose in playoff. In season 3 12 seed Charlotte made the semifinals.

                      I'm in season 7 now and the game is getting stale to me. Plus I have only 6 sec games on the schedule...with no custom conferences so idk what is going on with schedule logic now.
                      Dang how have you played through 6 seasons so fast lol? That's pretty cool. Question: Under custom conferences what did you have set for conference game amount for the SEC? For season two I have my 9 conference games I set up for Big Ten. And just looked at a SEC team and they 9 games as well. Does this start happening by a certain season? I have a relegation system in place so I use custom conferences and they switch up a bit yearly. Again season two I see no issues. Weird that it would randomly start messing up by year 7 or whatever.
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                      • sherrane
                        Pro
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 688

                        #12
                        Re: Forcing wins

                        Originally posted by Locke888
                        What are your house rules?

                        Was thinking forcing wins in power conferences when they play fcs and g5 teams except leaving 1 game to chance in each conference each week. Also no forcing wins for in conference games.

                        Or could just roll dice based on the gap between overall ratings? Idk just sad I have to do any of this. Oh well.
                        Originally posted by Mets_All_The_Way
                        I just do it on who is realistic should win, like Ohio State shouldn't lose to Minnesota at home, or lose to the lower teir team like the MAC school. I'm bout to start week 6 and it going to be the first week I have no force win B/c of every game have reasonable outcome. Iowa is 2-2 and they r travel to Columbus to play #1 Ohio State who 4-0. Now it's unlikely Iowa to pull it off but they do have a legitimate chance b/c they do always have a good defense. So it's they pull it's off I'm okay with it.

                        I guess it's what u feel is reasonable to u

                        My house rule is that I don't force wins nor losses. While I disagree with the bolded statement (other than possibly the first few years of a dynasty) because Minnesota won 29-17 at Ohio State on October 14, 2000. However, I could see forcing Ohio State to win against a team from Ohio because it has been over 100 years since Ohio State lost to a team from Ohio (7-6 loss to Oberlin on October 8, 1921).

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                        • jello1717
                          All Star
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 5720

                          #13
                          Re: Forcing wins

                          Originally posted by sherrane
                          My house rule is that I don't force wins nor losses. While I disagree with the bolded statement (other than possibly the first few years of a dynasty) because Minnesota won 29-17 at Ohio State on October 14, 2000. However, I could see forcing Ohio State to win against a team from Ohio because it has been over 100 years since Ohio State lost to a team from Ohio (7-6 loss to Oberlin on October 8, 1921).


                          I’ve seen Ohio St lose to Akron and Ohio and I wanna say Toledo as well.

                          Stuff like that is why I force wins.
                          Favorite Teams:
                          College #1: Michigan Wolverines
                          College #2: Michigan State Spartans (my alma mater)
                          College #3: North Carolina Tar Heels
                          NHL: Detroit Redwings

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                          • JoshuaN125
                            Rookie
                            • Oct 2022
                            • 40

                            #14
                            Re: Forcing wins

                            Damn Jello, you must be really old then, as it hasn't happened since 1921. Maybe you got confused when your team lost to 1aa team from W Carolina in 07.

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                            • dmacgreg37
                              Rookie
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 352

                              #15
                              Re: Forcing wins

                              Originally posted by JoshuaN125
                              Damn Jello, you must be really old then, as it hasn't happened since 1921. Maybe you got confused when your team lost to 1aa team from W Carolina in 07.
                              He means in game. Seems obvious from the context clues of "this is why I force wins".

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