AI is still unbalanced after the subs patch and stars take too many shots

[tokyoriot]

Yes, it’s a star driven league. Yes, it’s good to have superstars who feel good. No, it’s not realistic for a team to receive two thirds of all their offense from their two superstars and have them routinely take 30+ field goal attempts every single game.

The AI does NOT play in a way that simulates NBA basketball at the moment because anyone who isn’t a league star does not participate in the offense nearly as much as reality. It’s still a far cry from where it needs to be and I believe the AI needs a major rebalance.

I think one of the core culprits is the coaching engine, which wants you to run through your stars virtually every possession of the game (regardless of coach settings) and so I suspect is over prioritizing putting the ball in stars hands for the CPU. But I’d love to see them passing out a lot more than they do. Again, I’m fine with stats having a huge chunk of their teams offense, that is realistic, but this is more than that.

[Po Pimp]

Re: AI is still unbalanced after the subs patch and stars take too many shots

Yes, it’s a star driven league. Yes, it’s good to have superstars who feel good. No, it’s not realistic for a team to receive two thirds of all their offense from their two superstars and have them routinely take 30+ field goal attempts every single game.

The AI does NOT play in a way that simulates NBA basketball at the moment because anyone who isn’t a league star does not participate in the offense nearly as much as reality. It’s still a far cry from where it needs to be and I believe the AI needs a major rebalance.

I think one of the core culprits is the coaching engine, which wants you to run through your stars virtually every possession of the game (regardless of coach settings) and so I suspect is over prioritizing putting the ball in stars hands for the CPU. But I’d love to see them passing out a lot more than they do. Again, I’m fine with stats having a huge chunk of their teams offense, that is realistic, but this is more than that.

The superstars taking all the shots is primarily a roster issue. Tendencies should probably be changed, but from my understanding, the main culprit is there are too many poor defenders, and superstars “iso vs” is like 90 against poor defenders. Also, every superstar’s “play discipline” tendency is set to 25.

[alabamarob]

Re: AI is still unbalanced after the subs patch and stars take too many shots

Not every game is like that. I have had 30 dropped on me by Gary Trent Jr., Eric Gordon, Kelly Oubre, and Max Strues.

I am often pissed that the scrubs do to much.

[Scioto2024]

Re: AI is still unbalanced after the subs patch and stars take too many shots

Agree, not every game is like that and I’ve said this for a few years and people probably don’t agree with the simulation slider has some control over that.

It’s not every game this is why people need to test 10 to 20 games to get a sample size

[Po Pimp]

Re: AI is still unbalanced after the subs patch and stars take too many shots

Not every game is like that. I have had 30 dropped on me by Gary Trent Jr., Eric Gordon, Kelly Oubre, and Max Strues.

I am often pissed that the scrubs do to much.

Agree, not every game is like that and I’ve said this for a few years and people probably don’t agree with the simulation slider has some control over that.

It’s not every game this is why people need to test 10 to 20 games to get a sample size

Just to add to this, even if someone has a 99 for both touches and shots (like Giannis for example), I played a game against the Bucks when Giannis was the 4th leading scorer behind Dame, Gary Trent Jr, and Middleton

[Scioto2024]

Re: AI is still unbalanced after the subs patch and stars take too many shots

Just to add to this, even if someone has a 99 for both touches and shots (like Giannis for example), I played a game against the Bucks when Giannis was the 4th leading scorer behind Dame, Gary Trent Jr, and Middleton

I saw that with the Jokic, But he killed me in the fourth quarter, so I always don’t pay attention to the stat line because the game flow played exactly the way I needed it to

[Fake Empire]

Re: AI is still unbalanced after the subs patch and stars take too many shots

The last thing we should worry about is star players playing like star players even if in some games they're excessively dominant. It's not going to happen in every game and it gives more motivation to play defense and focus on them tactically. It wasn't that long ago we were complaining about the lack of impact of superstar players. Hopefully there's going to be sone kind of balancing in October without nerfing them too much.

[Nathan_OS]

Re: AI is still unbalanced after the subs patch and stars take too many shots

The last thing we should worry about is star players playing like star players even if in some games they're excessively dominant. It's not going to happen in every game and it gives more motivation to play defense and focus on them tactically. It wasn't that long ago we were complaining about the lack of impact of superstar players. Hopefully there's going to be sone kind of balancing in October without nerfing them too much.

Facts.

The problem used to be stars play nothing like their real life counterpart. That problem is GONE 😂. These guys are trying to put 50 on my head ! I’ll take that problem any day of the week. There’s enough defensive settings to adjust and make somebody else beat you !


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[tokyoriot]

Re: AI is still unbalanced after the subs patch and stars take too many shots

Facts.

The problem used to be stars play nothing like their real life counterpart. That problem is GONE ��. These guys are trying to put 50 on my head ! I’ll take that problem any day of the week. There’s enough defensive settings to adjust and make somebody else beat you !


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I really disagree with y’all though apparently I’m the only one to feel this way. It’s just not realistic to see the CPU’s star take sooooo many shots every other game! We’re talking “less than 26 would be an anomaly.” It’s not just “every once in a while” as you guys are showing suggesting, pretty much every box score I’ve seen posted either in my games or from other people online have some weirdly high number of shots from at least one player. The stats back me up on this, Luka led the league last year in real life with 23.6 FGA/game. I don’t think it’s at all fine for the game to be outputting 30 shots per game from one guy as often as every other game even. Stars dictate the game too much. That’s not to mention all the trickle down effects of players who should be getting those shots ending up deprived.

[b1g]

Re: AI is still unbalanced after the subs patch and stars take too many shots

It sounds like maybe you’re just not good as you think you are and need to lower the level a tad bit. There is defense on the floor at all times plus double teams. Maybe you need a different strategy? This is just like saying you can’t stop the QB or RB in a football game. If you’re not adjusting to stop anything, you won’t and the AI will keep abusing it. Like in real life, wouldn’t you think?

[Fake Empire]

Re: AI is still unbalanced after the subs patch and stars take too many shots

It sounds like maybe you’re just not good as you think you are and need to lower the level a tad bit. There is defense on the floor at all times plus double teams. Maybe you need a different strategy? This is just like saying you can’t stop the QB or RB in a football game. If you’re not adjusting to stop anything, you won’t and the AI will keep abusing it. Like in real life, wouldn’t you think?

This exactly. I'm still on Play Now quick games vs cpu testing the game. I have everything on auto and I'm not bothered yet applying custom coach settings or adapting real time to star players dominance. The tools to try shut them down are there. Not concerned at this point about their numbers against my defense. I even think 2K should leave them overpowered. Most users eventually will find ways to adapt.

[tokyoriot]

Re: AI is still unbalanced after the subs patch and stars take too many shots

I’m not so sure I ought to be amazing at the game to have realism, nor do I agree that this is a “me” problem since I haven’t had the issue in previous 2ks plus there’s other players posting box scores that look like mine. I’m fine to play on pro or all star, I could care less about what difficulty I play as I only really play offline modes anyway. PLUS the numerous posts complaining that double teaming the stars is largely ineffective.

[Nathan_OS]

Re: AI is still unbalanced after the subs patch and stars take too many shots

I’m not so sure I ought to be amazing at the game to have realism, nor do I agree that this is a “me” problem since I haven’t had the issue in previous 2ks plus there’s other players posting box scores that look like mine. I’m fine to play on pro or all star, I could care less about what difficulty I play as I only really play offline modes anyway. PLUS the numerous posts complaining that double teaming the stars is largely ineffective.

Hey, why are people saying double teaming stars is not effective?


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[DonWuan]

Re: AI is still unbalanced after the subs patch and stars take too many shots

Roster and some(small) slider tweaks should help with this. I can limit the cpu stars but the other players do step up.

User defense is an issue also. If your giving up space/lanes they will take advantage. I had to give up guarding Donovan Mitchell at one point and use an offball defender.

[Scioto2024]

Re: AI is still unbalanced after the subs patch and stars take too many shots

I've always for the last couple years had the computer guard their best player and maybe the help versus the other way around or guard the big unless it's an elite big.