Why does Zach Edey have an (84) 3pt rating!?

[Rori Daed]

Just asking... And maybe someone of importance who still lurks at 2k could take notice and fix, lol.

[jeebs9]

Re: Why does Zach Edey have an (84) 3pt rating!?

Just asking... And maybe someone of importance who still lurks at 2k could take notice and fix, lol.

There is no denying. He's been knocking them down all season. They had to boost it

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Why does Zach Edey have an (84) 3pt rating!?

Just asking... And maybe someone of importance who still lurks at 2k could take notice and fix, lol.

There's nothing to fix. This is by their design. They think 3PT% is the only factor in what makes a good shooter.

There is no denying. He's been knocking them down all season. They had to boost it

He was shooting 39% as of January 29th.

The problem is they can't figure out the difference between a low-volume / stand-still / wide-open 3pt shooter, and a movement shooting gunner.

That would require the slightest bit of context. They couldn't just copy & paste 3pt data into a spreadsheet. Mike out there really earning his salary.

[MiracleMet718]

Re: Why does Zach Edey have an (84) 3pt rating!?

There's nothing to fix. This is by their design. They think 3PT% is the only factor in what makes a good shooter.



He was shooting 39% as of January 29th.

The problem is they can't figure out the difference between a low-volume / stand-still / wide-open 3pt shooter, and a movement shooting gunner.

That would require the slightest bit of context. They couldn't just copy & paste 3pt data into a spreadsheet. Mike out there really earning his salary.

Isn’t that what tendencies are for?

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Why does Zach Edey have an (84) 3pt rating!?

Isn’t that what tendencies are for?

This is backwards, results-based thinking.

Edey gets those looks because the defense ignores him out there.

Do you ignore an 84 3pt shooter?

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Robinson is shooting only 38% this season. Big difference between shooting 38% on this shot diet...

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...versus this shot diet.

Edey ain't KAT, Brook Lopez, Bobby Portis, Naz Reid, Joel Embiid, Lauri Markkanen, players who actually get guarded out there.

Steph Curry is shooting 39% but there's a reason he's still got a 99 3pt.

Klay Thompson is also shooting 39%. The difference between him and Edey ain't Tendencies.

[MiracleMet718]

Re: Why does Zach Edey have an (84) 3pt rating!?

This is backwards, results-based thinking.

Edey gets those looks because the defense ignores him out there.

Do you ignore an 84 3pt shooter?

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Robinson is shooting only 38% this season. Big difference between shooting 38% on this shot diet...

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...versus this shot diet.

Edey ain't KAT, Brook Lopez, Bobby Portis, Naz Reid, Joel Embiid, Lauri Markkanen, players who actually get guarded out there.

Steph Curry is shooting 39% but there's a reason he's still got a 99 3pt.

Klay Thompson is also shooting 39%. The difference between him and Edey ain't Tendencies.

I know why he’s getting open looks in the real NBA. I’m asking if tendencies in 2k contribute to the how often the CPU players will be in those positions (which they should). So if Edey is rated 84 3PT but all of his 3PT tendencies are low, shouldn’t he hit his 39% clip but only shoot maybe 1 a game if not less?

If his volume is low and he’s only taking the outside shots when he’s wide open, then it’s pretty close to his real life percentage. The few times I’ve played the Grizzlies he’s barely been out beyond the paint so it hasn’t been an issue.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Why does Zach Edey have an (84) 3pt rating!?

I know why he’s getting open looks in the real NBA. I’m asking if tendencies in 2k contribute to the how often the CPU players will be in those positions (which they should).

No. It is a common misconception that maxing out a player's tendency is going to max out their shot attempts. All the tendency is doing is making it more likely that they pull the trigger when in that area of the court. It's just one number in an algorithm that is always running in the background.

It is easy to SAY that is "how the game should work" but that's nowhere close to the reality of how the game is coded (nor is it how players & teams behave IRL).

So if Edey is rated 84 3PT but all of his 3PT tendencies are low, shouldn’t he hit his 39% clip but only shoot maybe 1 a game if not less?

Even the worst NBA players can shoot a high percentage in an open gym. Dwight Howard was 16-40 (40 3pt%) with the Lakers. Three point percentage is not an indicator of shooter quality. If anything, it is probably the LEAST important factor.

This is hardly an issue with big men. 2K has had Christian Braun and the entire Nuggets team with high 3pt ratings all season. The Nuggets are 4th in 3PT% but 30th in 3PA. They exercise extreme discretion in when they actually shoot threes, BECAUSE they are a poor shooting team.

This is something I broke down last week on Reddit when someone pointed out Aaron Gordon had an 88(!!!) 3pt rating.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA2k/comme...3pt_rating_in/

If his volume is low and he’s only taking the outside shots when he’s wide open, then it’s pretty close to his real life percentage. The few times I’ve played the Grizzlies he’s barely been out beyond the paint so it hasn’t been an issue.

The difference is if you played WITH the Grizzlies you shouldn't be able to turn him into Brook Lopez.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Why does Zach Edey have an (84) 3pt rating!?

On the opposite end of the spectrum - This is why P.J. Tucker always has an insanely high Close Shot rating.

2022: 74-143 FG (52 FG%, 86 AST%, 2.6 FGA/36) = 96(!!!) Close Rating in 2K23
2020: 25-53 FG (47 FG%, 88 AST%, 0.8 FGA/36) = 94 Close Rating in 2K21

(^All they're doing is doubling the FG%. If it exceeds 50% they just reduce to 96-97 so nobody has the "dreaded" 98/99)

Tucker doesn't shoot a high percentage inside because he's a great scorer. He shoots a high percentage because the handful of shots he DOES take he's completely wide open. They're bunnies.

This is not rocket science. It's a concept they understand at some level because they don't rate Steph, Luka, Klay, Trae, etc by raw percentage. But for the other 99% of the league, 2K isn't willing to look through the context, and never have been.

[sirdez]

Re: Why does Zach Edey have an (84) 3pt rating!?

There is no denying. He's been knocking them down all season. They had to boost it

He's made 14 in total

[jeebs9]

Re: Why does Zach Edey have an (84) 3pt rating!?

He's made 14 in total

I wouldn't give him 84. Probably 75 at best. But new knocking them down. That's the point I'm making. The rating is too high. I hit 3's with Goga Bitadze at 65 when left wide open. This is obviously a over correction.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Why does Zach Edey have an (84) 3pt rating!?

I wouldn't give him 84. Probably 75 at best. But new knocking them down. That's the point I'm making. The rating is too high. I hit 3's with Goga Bitadze at 65 when left wide open. This is obviously a over correction.

Now don't get me wrong... 20 years ago their method worked.

2003 New York Knicks 3PT
Allan Houston: 178-450 FG (40 3PT%, 85 AST%, 5.2 FGA/36)
Latrell Sprewell: 134-360 FG (37 FG%, 82 AST%, 4.5 FGA/36)
Howard Eisley: 131-337 FG (39 FG%, 73 AST%, 5.4 FGA/36)
Charlie Ward: 101-267 FG (38 FG%, 71 AST%, 6.6 FGA/36)
Shandon Anderson: 52-140 FG (37 FG%, 100 AST%, 2.6 FGA/36)

Rest of Team (8 Players): 10-28 FG

Simpler times. Five players on a team that hit 10+ threes.

There were two types of 3pt shooters back then. Those who could, and those who couldn't. There's barely any separation between those player in terms of accuracy, volume, and creation.

Fast forward to today...

2024 3PT of the current 2025 Atlanta Hawks*
Trae Young: 175-470 FG (37 FG%, 34 AST%, 8.7 FGA/36) = 83 3PT
Georges Niang: 149-396 FG (38 FG%, 97 AST%, 7.8 FGA/36) = 81 3PT
Caris LeVert: 108-332 FG (33 FG%, 77 AST%, 6.1 FGA/36) = 75 3PT
Terence Mann: 71-204 FG (35 FG%, 94 AST%, 3.5 FGA/36) = 78 3PT
Jalen Johnson: 71-200 FG (36 FG%, 97 AST%, 3.8 FGA/36) = 79 3PT
Garrison Matthews: 85-193 FG (44 FG%, 98 AST%, 7.0 FGA/36) = 88 3PT
Dyson Daniels: 42-135 FG (31 FG%, 100 AST%, 3.6 FGA/36) = 73 3PT
Vit Krecji: 28-68 FG (41 FG%, 93 AST%, 7.0 FGA/36) = 80 3PT
Larry Nance: 27-65 FG (42 FG%, 93 AST%, 1.9 FGA/36) 79 3PT
Onyeka Okongwu: 23-69 FG (33 FG%, 100 AST%, 1.8 FGA/36) = 76 3PT

*Doing it this way rather than re-crunching in-season 2025 data because I have all the 2024 data + default ratings collected

Instead of five players w/ 10+ 3PM, that number has DOUBLED to 10 players. We have a much wider range of shooter types as a result.

This is A LOT to digest especially on a forum format but we can break these guys down into a few types of shooters. Pardon me as I figure this out on the fly.

Volume Scorers
Trae Young: 175-470 FG (37 FG%, 34 AST%, 8.7 FGA/36) = 83 3PT
Caris LeVert: 108-332 FG (33 FG%, 77 AST%, 6.1 FGA/36) = 75 3PT

Trae really belongs in his own category because his numbers are so extreme (and there are plenty of other ways we could go deeper on him), but the general concept is these are on-ball players and have their FG% hurt by being the focal point of an offense. Someone has to take the difficult shots.
LeVert's numbers are most similar to those 2003 Knick PGs, likewise doing more off the bounce rather than being purely C&S. He isn't a great shooter (Career 35%), and would fall into another category with a lesser offensive role.

Sharpshooters
Georges Niang: 149-396 FG (38 FG%, 97 AST%, 7.8 FGA/36) = 81 3PT
Garrison Matthews: 85-193 FG (44 FG%, 98 AST%, 7.0 FGA/36) = 88 3PT
Vit Krecji: 28-68 FG (41 FG%, 93 AST%, 7.0 FGA/36) = 80 3PT

These guys are high-percentage, high-volume shooters. They aren't creating off the dribble. They are play finishers. Teams are looking for them, both offensively and defensively. In order to get up this many threes, movement is often involved.

Low-Volume Perimeter
Terence Mann: 71-204 FG (35 FG%, 94 AST%, 3.5 FGA/36) = 78 3PT
Jalen Johnson: 71-200 FG (36 FG%, 97 AST%, 3.8 FGA/36) = 79 3PT
Dyson Daniels: 42-135 FG (31 FG%, 100 AST%, 3.6 FGA/36) = 73 3PT

Much like Sharpshooters, these guys aren't creating their own shot. They are taking these if they have to, but they aren't actively HUNTING this shot (i.e. running off screens). In many cases, the defense is DARING them to shoot. You might recall a handful of seasons where Rajon Rondo posted good shooting percentages from Mid & 3pt range. It's really the same concept (Dyson Daniels, eat your heart out).

Anyone who thinks Jalen Johnson is anywhere close to the shooter that Georges Niang is (who has double the volume), solely because he's within 2 FG%, is a spreadsheet slave. In reality, he's closer to the aforementioned Caris LeVert.

Low-Volume Bigs
Larry Nance: 27-65 FG (42 FG%, 93 AST%, 1.9 FGA/36) = 79 3PT
Onyeka Okongwu: 23-69 FG (33 FG%, 100 AST%, 1.8 FGA/36) = 76 3PT

These guys are largely only taking wide open / assisted / corner shots.

Is Larry Nance REALLY 10% better at shooting threes than Okongwu? No. They're about equal shooters, and would level out over a larger sample (Nance shot 33% in the two prior seasons). There is enough variance on 3PT% that we shouldn't be looking hard at it. But 2K does. They have Nance within arms length of a career gunner in Niang.

2K has all of this data at it's fingertips, and it's not that hard to interpret. They aren't utilizing it properly, either due to laziness, ignorance, incompetence, or a Molotov cocktail of all three.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Why does Zach Edey have an (84) 3pt rating!?

Shameless plug - all of this data is in the Real 2K Spreadsheet.

I can speak on a lot of NBA because I've been hand tracking data like this for years. This stuff wasn't as evident in year one, but by the time I got to year two I'd completely revamped my values. By years 3 & 4 its refinement.

10 years ago I was still looking at percentage, but then the Warriors happened, and like the rest of the NBA I realized I had to evolve.

When you pair this with stuff like Synergy Playtype data, one is able to find a lot of benchmarks. Which is why I'm also better at badges than 2K is. (They've gotten a lot better in the last two years - mainly ripping concepts from my roster - which I'm also able to see because I ALSO hand-track everything THEY'RE doing LOL).

(^A big part of why I don't have any respect for them).

[dwayne12345]

Re: Why does Zach Edey have an (84) 3pt rating!?

There's nothing to fix. This is by their design. They think 3PT% is the only factor in what makes a good shooter.

He was shooting 39% as of January 29th.

The problem is they can't figure out the difference between a low-volume / stand-still / wide-open 3pt shooter, and a movement shooting gunner.

That would require the slightest bit of context. They couldn't just copy & paste 3pt data into a spreadsheet. Mike out there really earning his salary.

1. I 10000% agree with this criticism. The dude is 14 for 39 on the season on mainly stand still wide open spot up threes.

The problem is they can't figure out the difference between a low-volume / stand-still / wide-open 3pt shooter, and a movement shooting gunner.

2. The game has so many mechanics to properly distinguish this, they just don't apply them. For example a 90 3 point rating with a 50 Shot IQ, 50 Offensive Consistency, and a tendency to only take pull up 3s would properly represent a gunner/chucker.
They don't actually need to give Edey an 84 3 point shot to represent his skill set. Just give him a higher Shot IQ, Consistency, and remove the tendencies that would make him take anything but spot up open 3s and boom. You're good.


but yea that would require a roster person who cares to deep dive and contextualize across the league. Sounds too expensive for a game that only sells a measly 7-10 million copies ... yearly..

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Why does Zach Edey have an (84) 3pt rating!?

2. The game has so many mechanics to properly distinguish this, they just don't apply them

Yes. They setup their data collection for the bare minimum (3pt shot data)

Actually if I had to guess their "workaround" for the volume guys isn't that they're going through the data but rather they're arbitrarily applying a rule to that player's cell.

For example Trae Young would always be +5 from whatever his 3pt rating is supposed to be. I might be able to roughly track that and see if that's the case.

For example a 90 3 point rating with a 50 Shot IQ, 50 Offensive Consistency

Excuse me. That would require Mike & 2K to not treat those ratings like an extension of Intangibles. Now that I have 4-5 years of tracking data on Shot IQ, some players are pure comedy.

Among my favorites:

Jimmy Butler Shot IQ
2K24 = 98
2K25 = 58

Gary Payton II Shot IQ
2K22 = 37
2K23 = 80
2K24 = 60
2K25 = 25

Quentin Grimes Shot IQ
2K23 = 55
2K24 = 95
2K25 = 75

But I digress, that doesn't solve the problem in the hands of the user. Those ratings have no bearing on a user. A 90 3PT is expected to be a 90 3PT.

Badges are playing a bigger role than ever before, but those shouldn't be the only variable between two 40% shooters.
For example, I don't think there is a player in the league that should have a 90 3PT but no supplementary badges.

but yea that would require a roster person who cares to deep dive and contextualize across the league. Sounds too expensive for a game that only sells a measly 7-10 million copies ... yearly..

I will say that it is very time consuming. I fully edit Ratings & Badges etc for all players, but once you get to Tendencies it becomes an overwhelming amount of data and their interface is terrible.

[dwayne12345]

Re: Why does Zach Edey have an (84) 3pt rating!?

I wouldn't be surprised if more thought was put into your post than 2k puts into ratings. Everything you say is preaching to the choir with me.


Opened my eyes though; I would hope that 2k's internal roster maker intern is using an excel spreadsheet and not trying to schlub roster edits in their convoluted UI like the rest of us mortal outsiders.