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  • cedwebb
    MVP
    • Oct 2005
    • 1160

    #1

    Alternative to Acc. Clock Idea!

    This is also posted in a accelerated clock thread but it is kind of a topic all on its own.

    The way Madden is in it current state I think to have it run all game long is the best way to implement the acc. clock. It def needs to be in the game as currently there is no accounting for personel changes.

    I love the acc. clock but I was just thinking that the reason for an accelerated clock is to account for the time that it takes for the personel to get onto to field and get the play called. Here is my idea if Ian and company wanted to go a alternate route to the accelerated clock while adding a very cool feature to the game.

    My idea is you pick your play as you currently do and then the screen pans out to show a view of the whole field or the screen shows QBs or coaches calling out plays from the sidelines (of course the play is called but showing this adds to the realism factor and could give a chance to really show some cool visuals of players and coaches). So the screen is showing off the graphics of the game and the whole atmosphere while you actually see the players that make up the package of the play you just called going on to the field while others are coming off. The players hit the huddle, add in a couple seconds for the QB to call the play(actually show the QB giving instruction) and then the team breaks the huddle. This works also on the defensive side as well. If there are two people and the offense picks first, the defense better be right there behind him other wise the defense could get caught running people in. If the defense calls a play first then obviously they will get there guys out onto the field with no problems, but it creates a whole bunch of great scenerios that can play out even before the play starts. Play calling would take on a new and much improved face lift and add a ton to the game.

    Now what this does is create a ton of atmosphere because you are showing the field from a wide view where you can see the stadium and players and everything going on. Secondly it takes out the need for the accelerated clock feature because that time will actually be used with all that is going on. This feature really only exists because of the game lacking parts of football we see every Sunday, which shouldn't happen. People want realism and immersion and atmoshphere, this is a way to create that and add some great things to the game. People would actually get caught up in the activities going on after they pick a play which would add so much to the replay value as well as the fun factor.

    Of course for the casual fan you can always make all this an option and opt for the current play call screen....But who would want to?
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  • SoxFan01605
    All Star
    • Jan 2008
    • 7982

    #2
    Re: Alternative to Acc. Clock Idea!

    It's a good idea and I'm certainly not against it, but I question logistics. I would imagine it would take some considerable extra work to get that presentation (camera work, cutscenes, new animations, etc.) to get that implemented. That's fine, but I think there are other areas of presentation that are more pressing for the overall atmosphere, such as pre/post-game, halftime, stat overlays, cutscenes throughout the game, pressure moments, etc. Plus, as I recall, Ian and Phill had accelerated clock all but implemented for a potential DLC pack that never was. It might be better to tweak what's already mostly done, rather than completely change direction at this point. Ian could clearly speak on this better than me, and I'm certainly not saying I know for sure. It's just a concern I have.

    As an idea though, I completely agree and see no reason why they can't steadily move in this direction. And, IF it's feasible for this year without detracting from something else, I'm certainly all for it.

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    • bigmoe
      Pro
      • Feb 2003
      • 656

      #3
      Re: Alternative to Acc. Clock Idea!

      [QUOTE=cedwebb;2038923827]
      The way Madden is in it current state I think to have it run all game long is the best way to implement the acc. clockQUOTE]


      The old Madden on the Genisis had your players running on and off the field when you changed your pkg.

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      • cedwebb
        MVP
        • Oct 2005
        • 1160

        #4
        Re: Alternative to Acc. Clock Idea!

        [quote=bigmoe;2038924049]
        Originally posted by cedwebb
        The way Madden is in it current state I think to have it run all game long is the best way to implement the acc. clockQUOTE]


        The old Madden on the Genisis had your players running on and off the field when you changed your pkg.
        Ahh yes..I remember that. This would be just that except we get to look at all the great graphics that we have now which would add so much to the atmoshphere of the NFL presentation.

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        • camelworm
          Rookie
          • Dec 2007
          • 0

          #5
          Re: Alternative to Acc. Clock Idea!

          I think this would probably get old pretty fast, and there are definitely more pertinant issues the developing team needs to get on. I think the Acc. Clock is fine.

          Not a bad thought though, just seems too much for me.

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          • J.R. Locke
            Banned
            • Nov 2004
            • 4137

            #6
            Re: Alternative to Acc. Clock Idea!

            I would love this.

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            • RGiles36
              MVP
              • Jan 2008
              • 3960

              #7
              Re: Alternative to Acc. Clock Idea!

              Eh, I'd feel like more of a spectator with something like this. I mean, yes, immerse me the presentation. But don't over do it...we buy the games to play the games.
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              • cedwebb
                MVP
                • Oct 2005
                • 1160

                #8
                Re: Alternative to Acc. Clock Idea!

                Originally posted by rgiles36
                Eh, I'd feel like more of a spectator with something like this. I mean, yes, immerse me the presentation. But don't over do it...we buy the games to play the games.
                I was really seeing this idea as a way to bring the player in and have them more involved during the playcall sequence along with presentation being showcased. I think you would actually be pulled in more because you have to really watch the clock with this idea as you have to make sure there is time to get players into the game as well as being awed by what this system can do. I imagine seeing fans being the focal at some shots during the playoffs or a divisional game to really capture the atmosphere.
                Last edited by cedwebb; 11-20-2008, 11:00 PM.

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                • icicle22
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 2395

                  #9
                  Re: Alternative to Acc. Clock Idea!

                  The players running on and off the field ala Madden 92! is cool. I don't think we need huge elaborate cut scenes for this but the way the play calling worked back then, if you were running the hurry up offense and had your "fast" players in and you chose your "hands" team, you had to wait for the players to run on and off the field, which obviously hurt your chance of running plays quickly.

                  I remember being frustrated if you accidentally chose the wrong package and yelling at the screen as the players ran in from the sidelines as the clock ticked away. It sucked....but it was real in a way. You'd have to burn timeouts to save time on the clock because of confusion in the huddle....which you see happen frequently in the NFL too.

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                  • AdamVinatieri4xsbchamp
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 69

                    #10
                    Re: Alternative to Acc. Clock Idea!

                    Its an interesting idea, but it would get boring watching cut scenes between every play when you just want to play football. It could easily turn into a 2 hour game and most people I dont think want to committ that much time to one Madden game. It could be an option if you could make it more interactive such as giving certain players individual instruction on a certain play to raise their awareness or whatever. Just watching cut scenes while having no input into whats going on for 20 seconds or whatever would just slow the game down and be a drag.

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                    • cedwebb
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 1160

                      #11
                      Re: Alternative to Acc. Clock Idea!

                      Originally posted by AdamVinatieri4xsbchamp
                      Its an interesting idea, but it would get boring watching cut scenes between every play when you just want to play football. It could easily turn into a 2 hour game and most people I dont think want to committ that much time to one Madden game. It could be an option if you could make it more interactive such as giving certain players individual instruction on a certain play to raise their awareness or whatever. Just watching cut scenes while having no input into whats going on for 20 seconds or whatever would just slow the game down and be a drag.

                      The way I was thinking about this wasn't to have cut scenes in between everyplay per say..I was thinking more on the lines of just showing a different camera view, one that would show more of the whole field and stadium from a far so that you could see it all happening in real time. Sure you could add in some cut scenes and of course the big thing would be stat overlays. This presents a perfect time to show a player pic with his stats for the game and year. I think it would just pull the game together more and have a better feel of an NFL experience.

                      However your comment got me thinking of an alternative to the alternative. If this was something they could put in and decided to you could always have the option to hit a button that would run the time off the clock that it would have taken to just watch everything. So basically if you skip the players running in and stat overlays you would just see the acc. clock kick in and go right to the line of scrimmage. Remember though that in the idea I was talking about you are not adding time to the game, you are simply filling in dead time that is already there, so the games don't really take any longer. You just have more interaction and immersion as they say.
                      Last edited by cedwebb; 11-21-2008, 12:53 PM.

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                      • Exonerated
                        MVP
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 4899

                        #12
                        Re: Alternative to Acc. Clock Idea!

                        THe playclock is not proportional to the quarter length.

                        Playclock in madden: 40 seconds . Quarter length online: 300 seconds

                        Each play can take up to 13% of the quarter. Thats ridiculous. Thats like 10 plays a quarter.

                        In real life each play takes 4% of the quarter max.

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                        • kehlis
                          Moderator
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 27738

                          #13
                          Re: Alternative to Acc. Clock Idea!

                          Originally posted by Exonerated
                          THe playclock is not proportional to the quarter length.

                          Playclock in madden: 40 seconds . Quarter length online: 300 seconds

                          Each play can take up to 13% of the quarter. Thats ridiculous. Thats like 10 plays a quarter.

                          In real life each play takes 4% of the quarter max.
                          you can't play 5 min qtrs and expect a realistic amount of plays.

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