Just wanna say...

**cocobee** · 03-04-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by onlybygrace

...that last night in one inning, I gave up completely on this game.

Its 1-1 in the seventh inning, Carpenter is spinning a gem.

Leadoff man hits an easy fly ball to left field where Manny (yes I traded for him) put his hand up to catch it, but completely misses the ball, enabling the man to reach third as the ball rolled to the wall.

Carpenter fans the next batter.

Then two CONSECUTIVE batters reached on sharply hit ground balls, in which the throws reached the first basemen 10 feet ahead of the runners but Pujols forgot to TOUCH THE BAG.

Loading the bases...

What happened???

Grand Slam...

no...kidding on the salami, but I turned it off. I am just beside myself with this game because I really like some of the things I see, but it just fails so hard in other areas...

Well...honestly...the feilding is the only thing I have an issue with, but its a game breaker.

Frustrating, had a few of those same type situations. It'd be ok every once in a while but man every game it seems like. Stupid crap keeps happening and baseball players are not that clumsy.

Looks like I'll be picking up the Show today and waiting to see what mods are out there for mlb 2k9 PC later.

**Eski33** · 03-04-2009, 10:33 AM

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I borrowed a copy and played through six games. I noticed the issue with the first baseman not touching first 17 times. 17 times in six games!!!!

Yeah, that is absolutely inexcusable. People can talk presentation, frame rate and commentary all they want. If the gameplay is so broken routine plays aren't made then there are some serious issues....

It is sad for me to say because I was hopeful. Although I own both systems and The Show (gasp!! yes, I said those two words) I wanted for this game to return to its success of 2K7.

This game definitely needed more development time and pushing the release back to May or June, although there would have been grumblings, may have helped the testers catch these issues...Honestly, I can't believe testers didn't catch the non-outs to first base as they happen so frequently....

**Eski33** · 03-04-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by cocobee

Frustrating, had a few of those same type situations. It'd be ok every once in a while but man every game it seems like. Stupid crap keeps happening and baseball players are not that clumsy.

Looks like I'll be picking up the Show today and waiting to see what mods are out there for mlb 2k9 PC later.

There is never a time that is acceptable for a first baseman not to have his foot on the bag. Yes, I can see a bad throw but not when it is a routine throw and the ball beats the runner by a mile.

I say that you take every ground ball in which a throw was made to first base in every major league game played last year, including the post season, I bet that the first baseman NEVER failed to touch the bag when fielding a routine throw with the runner no where close to the bag....

For anyone to think that this is acceptable has lowered there standards and expectations of the developer. The same goes for a first baseman dropping a routine throw. Not saying it never happens but it doesn't happen enough for it to be coded into the game....

Let's put it this way, if in the game the first baseman never missed the bag or never dropped a routine throw I guarantee no one would even notice it. Now missing a throw in the dirt (scooping everything) is a different story. That is believable...

**onlybygrace** · 03-04-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by Eski33

There is never a time that is acceptable for a first baseman not to have his foot on the bag. Yes, I can see a bad throw but not when it is a routine throw and the ball beats the runner by a mile.

I say that you take every ground ball in which a throw was made to first base in every major league game played last year, including the post season, I bet that the first baseman NEVER failed to touch the bag when fielding a routine throw with the runner no where close to the bag....

For anyone to think that this is acceptable has lowered there standards and expectations of the developer. The same goes for a first baseman dropping a routine throw. Not saying it never happens but it doesn't happen enough for it to be coded into the game....

Let's put it this way, if in the game the first baseman never missed the bag or never dropped a routine throw I guarantee no one would even notice it. Now missing a throw in the dirt (scooping everything) is a different story. That is believable...

Yup...

I'll go so far as to say that this is the worst gameplay gliche I have ever dealt with.

Shananigans.

**stealyerface** · 03-04-2009, 10:42 AM

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Are you guys using the R-stick for throwing or the B button? I played 4 games last night and NEVER had the 1st baseman miss the bag either for my team, or on the other team. In fact, i was waiting to see it happen, but honestly, it never ever occurred.

I am using the R-stick exclusively, and trying to get myself to use the L-trigger as some grounders in the hole resulted in them beating the throw that I am pretty sure should have been an out, but with the quick throw depressed, I am getting most of the guys that should be out, and in just the right amount of time.

So, is the first baseman issue tied with the throw mechanism?

syf

**onlybygrace** · 03-04-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by stealyerface

Are you guys using the R-stick for throwing or the B button? I played 4 games last night and NEVER had the 1st baseman miss the bag either for my team, or on the other team. In fact, i was waiting to see it happen, but honestly, it never ever occurred.

I am using the R-stick exclusively, and trying to get myself to use the L-trigger as some grounders in the hole resulted in them beating the throw that I am pretty sure should have been an out, but with the quick throw depressed, I am getting most of the guys that should be out, and in just the right amount of time.

So, is the first baseman issue tied with the throw mechanism?

syf

I guess its worth trying to see.

But then there are the dropped flyballs...

*sigh*

ya, know?

**stealyerface** · 03-04-2009, 10:49 AM

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Which throwing mechanic are you using? Classic or R-stick? My point is that if you are using the B button to throw the ball, it is the same issue that you see when you try to switch players out in the outfield, and the ball gets thrown home. So, if you keep the B button pressed too long, using the Classic throwing, Pujols gets the command to field the ball and run to the bag. So, you press B and through the fault of the command, he steps off the bag in an attempt to run to first... even though he is already there. Thereby stepping off the bag.

Try using the R-stick for throwing, which is way more fun and realistic anyway, and see if that does not help things. I am going to assume that you are using the Button press for throwing to first.

syf

**seasprite** · 03-04-2009, 10:49 AM

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I have yet to notice the first baseman pulling off the bag with a normal throw. I use the stick to throw by the way. I have played over fifteen games since release and have yet to have this happen to me or the computer

**serialmike** · 03-04-2009, 10:50 AM

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When so many people loved MVP specifically for the fielding it boggles my mind why so many people use the buttons to throw. In fact Im not sure why they are mapped they dont work well at all. The system was 100 percent designed to use the right stick for throws. Its painfully apparent.

The stick throw from MVP is back...USE IT.

**onlybygrace** · 03-04-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by serialmike

When so many people loved MVP specifically for the fielding it boggles my mind why so many people use the buttons to throw. In fact Im not sure why they are mapped they dont work well at all. The system was 100 percent designed to use the right stick for throws. Its painfully apparent.

The stick throw from MVP is back...USE IT.

OK...I'll try the stick thing.

First of all, I never played MVP or any game that required a stick to throw. So doing what was familiar seemed obvious...just didn't think it would cause stupid errors.

But I'll at least be fair and try it to see if it works out.

**stealyerface** · 03-04-2009, 10:56 AM

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That will fix it. I haven't seen it happen once. You'll love the new mechanic, and it will keep your guy from missing the bag.

BTW, I did use the Block Plate RB button yesterday and Tek did a masterful job of getting the shin guards down and took a beating from Nady, but he held onto the ball... Great animation.

syf

**BigBlue** · 03-04-2009, 11:09 AM

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It's ugly, though, when it happens to the CPU. It's a lousy way for me to get on base. I agree with what's already been said. NEVER will a 1st baseman set up with his foot about 10" off the bag. If it's a bad throw that VC wants to replicate, then have the 1st baseman set up on the bag and then get pulled OFF the bag (like 2K8). That's one animation I have YET to see in this version.

BigBlue

**scarface_1281** · 03-04-2009, 11:13 AM

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I only seen it happen to me once in my first game and i was using the classic control. I felt my throw werent hard enough or snappy. So I went to r-stick and havent had that issue since. The flyball issue i had once already. I played about 10 games since picking it up. The baserunning kind of irks me a little bit though.

**notasenator** · 03-04-2009, 11:20 AM

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Well, I'll say first off that I think this game is a good improvement over 2k8 in that it is playable, and hopefully sliders will make it reasonable. No amount of chopping and hacking carved 2k8 in to a game I wanted to play.

All of the features that OS mentioned in their review stood out to me last night in my first games, and I really enjoyed it.

At the default difficulty, right out of the box, (on the 360), I had John Lannan pitching for the Nats against the Marlins. I threw seven perfect innings with eight strikeouts before they finally broke it up in the eighth because I left him in too long, testing how much fatigue matters. I was impressed with how much his game went straight into the toilet when he ran out of juice.

However I then started a franchise and played the first game, again with the Nats visiting the Marlins, and after 11 innings, I had won 10-9, with 25 hits for the Nats and 24 for the Marlins. This was after moving to the All-Star difficulty.

I admit, a decent amount of the hits from the Marlins was from me not getting used to the fielding, and the pace for them slowed towards the end of the game. But hitting seemed so easy and the four home runs in the game spoke to that.

I'm going to try some more with different slider settings, but I had fun playing the game, so I am hopeful. That's something I was never able to say last year.

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