OT: Cutler to the Bears

**RockHound** · 04-03-2009, 01:53 PM

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If the Broncos knew they could get this much for Cutler at a fire sale they would have traded him sooner.

**skinsfan212** · 04-03-2009, 02:12 PM

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Just for fun, in the Game I traded for Cutler to the Redskins (he is a 85 overall) in 2008 for a 2009 1st rounder and 2009 4th rounder, I did not include Jason Campbell.

**meanness** · 04-03-2009, 04:35 PM

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You think the Bears gave up too much? This looks like a great deal to me...with that defense, Forte, and now Cutler, who in the NFC is going to beat them?

And I'm an Eagles fan, so I'm mostly unbiased about the Bears.

**d_max** · 04-03-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by Jazet

Me to my wife:
"God, two firsts, Orton and a third for Cutler and a 5th? That's like playing Head Coach and trying to make an offer for Manning."

Wife to me:
"Obsess much?"

Just when I think that the game undervalues some players (Brady Quinn?) and makes them easier to get, and others overvalued (Brady) and impossible to get....the NFL drops a whopper of a trade that really makes me question people's sanity.

Is Cassel + Vrabel for a 2nd looking like a steal now compared to what the Bears just gave up? WOW.

Resume game.

The game should undervalue Brady Quinn, he hasn't proven anything yet. What's there to value?

And as for Brady, I'm assuming you mean Tom? Also normal that the game overvalues him. Belichicks golden boy has won multiple super bowls and is idolized in the NFL world..

Just seems like the game is mirroring reality.

**Sanchez_Mareno** · 04-03-2009, 05:14 PM

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I value first rounders in terms of the player or players via trading down you can get.
2 first rounders is alot.
What can cutler do without receivers like marshall and royal

**Jazet** · 04-03-2009, 05:34 PM

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There is no way I give up multiple first day picks for a QB who is proving himself to be a tempermental headcase when I have numerous holes on my offense. I think the idea of watching Cutler throw bomb after bomb to Hester to try to loosen up the 8 man fronts that Forte is going to see is preposterous. They had better draft to perfection to fill the holes on their O-line and find an actual #1 wideout. Cutler is going to lose his mind in a dink and dunk hand it off offense.

And I'm a Chiefs fan, while I love the idea of facing Orton twice a year, what a fantastic trade for retooling.

Bleh...way too much for a QB with no superbowl rings.

**Fox1994** · 04-04-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by d_max

The game should undervalue Brady Quinn, he hasn't proven anything yet. What's there to value?

And as for Brady, I'm assuming you mean Tom? Also normal that the game overvalues him. Belichicks golden boy has won multiple super bowls and is idolized in the NFL world..

Just seems like the game is mirroring reality.

lol. F'sho. You know what you're talking about, dude.

Originally posted by Jazet

There is no way I give up multiple first day picks for a QB who is proving himself to be a tempermental headcase when I have numerous holes on my offense.

I think you're right. It's just that Pro Bowls are speaking for a lot these days, probably more than they should.

I think the idea of watching Cutler throw bomb after bomb to Hester to try to loosen up the 8 man fronts that Forte is going to see is preposterous. They had better draft to perfection to fill the holes on their O-line and find an actual #1 wideout. Cutler is going to lose his mind in a dink and dunk hand it off offense.

You're definitely right. As amazing an athlete Hester is, they made a supreme mistake moving his primary position from KR to WR. He was much more productive as a KR. Six and seven returns for touchdowns in his first two seasons? Proposterous... and then they move him to a position he's not at all familiar with. (He has played it before, but not as his main position.)

Maybe Cutler's scrambling ability will allow him to avoid some of the offensive line issues, but they lost quite a bit in giving-up all of those draft picks. There's a possibility that it will work-out eventually... But I think the guy who wrote this was being a tad melodramatic. However, if the NFC North was won with this trade, I doubt it was by the Bears.

They lost all of those draft picks that they're going to need to continue rebuilding this franchise. Even when they drafted the number 3 running back of all time (Walter Payton) after Jim Brown and Barry Sanders, it took ten more years to win a Super Bowl. This thing of ours is a developmental process... It's possible that he survives though, last year they started four or five runningbacks...

Maybe here, with a solid running game, he'll have something to lean on as he develops into the Marino/Elway archetype he's determined to be...

And I'm a Chiefs fan, while I love the idea of facing Orton twice a year, what a fantastic trade for retooling.

Bleh...way too much for a QB with no superbowl rings.

Raider fan here, and I can only hope that Orton's easy pickings. Maybe he's the real deal, though. We'll find out soon enough.

Btw, I don't have Head Coach, yet, but I love to come by this forum due to the amount of intelligence and comprehension you guys use when discussing football. Not to mention that you insult each other far often...

**deaduck** · 04-05-2009, 06:46 AM

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Just to share my opinions...

"...they made a supreme mistake moving his (Hester) primary position from KR to WR."

Not really.

He caught only 3 tds and his numbers were averageish at WR this year but stats are misleading. His speed and threat alone helped keep D's from overloading the box. From a match up stand point, you can't leave him man to man for any extended time without help from over the top. Hester at WR keeps D's honest.

As for the loss of production at KR, it sucks but if you have a playmaker you try to give them MORE chances at the ball. At WR he has the greater chance to make big plays, and in reality, he was still on the return teams.So from a coaching standpoint, it was a simple choice to make.

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"...but they lost quite a bit in giving-up all of those draft picks."

I sort of agree but I think it's a good point that our recent history at picking in the first round has made the loss seem kind of minimal. It's the whole picking "something you know" versus "potential".

**BrnwsBucksFanNC** · 04-06-2009, 03:14 PM

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[quote=d_max;2039381173]The game should undervalue Brady Quinn, he hasn't proven anything yet. What's there to value?

I am a Browns fan and have not been a fan of BQ since they gave away half the farm to get him...wasnt that impressed when he was at ND and not that impressed now...

I think the drafting of Thomas was brilliant...but I think that having the highest paid b-up in the nfl has been a waste since we have no idea if he can do what the hype said he "might" be able to do and what do the Browns do now...Anderson has a big contract and so does bq and they still cant put together a good season...

**Jazet** · 04-06-2009, 06:38 PM

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I must be stating what I was thinking wrong.

I'm saying Brady Quinn who has, in HC terms, high potential, decent contract...can be had for ONLY a 6th rounderin the game.

Tom Brady would require 2 firsts and an elite player.

IRL Cutler is worth 2 firsts a third and a player. It boggles the mind to me.

Despite a terrible record of drafting in the 1st round over the last 15 years, I still think it's too much to give up for a "star" player who basically griped his way out of town.

I hate that this gives the Donks ammo to retool. But with their off season so far, it's been worth it.

**AzBearsFan** · 04-10-2009, 08:00 AM

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Actually, after reading a post someplace I began to think that maybe the bears actually got a decent deal here, and here is why. Pretty much everyone would say if Cutler were in the draft this year he would be a consensus #1 pick overall which I would agree with that. So, the #1 pick has a value of 3,000 points. Now the bears gave up the 18th pick this year which is worth 900, and their 3rd which is worth 150. I would hope that next year due to having cutler that the bears would be at least marginally better, but for arguments sake lets say they end up exactly the same at 18 next year, and another pick valued at 900 points so thats a total of 1950 points. So, how much is Orton really worth? In order to make the value be higher for Denver then Orton would have to be worthy of a top 10 pick in this years draft which would be way overvaluing a guy who can't hit a receiver past 15 yards downfield. Everyone of course will have their oppinions, and the talk about potential, but in the end the draft is a crapshoot, and the bears made an aggressive move to get a difference maker instead of a roll of the dice.

**LX_Theo** · 04-11-2009, 02:27 PM

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I was able to trade for Cutler (as the Bears). I gave Desmond Clark, a 5th, and next years 4th.

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