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One of my favorite football engines is the Madden 07-09 for PS2. Simulates way more realism then the PS3 Engine...

Alot of my friends feel the same way... The PS3 engine is just too choppy and defensive over speed is fake... And the field is unrealistically shorter in width...

Also Creating your own plays on PS2 is the BEST FEATURE EVER

So whats the chances of this engine being upgraded to PS3/360 with new player and field models?

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It IS the same engine. Only diference now is that is is optimized for the 360/Ps3. They didnt build it from the ground up.

What you WANT is exactly what you HAVE.

The Bigger question is.....Why CANT they just put in all those things? Especially now with better hardware/software. Thats the 20Million dollar question.

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I would love for Ian or someone to chime in on this, because I don't see any way that this is the same engine. No one in their right mind would port a PS2 engine over to the PS3... NG Madden is built from the ground up, it just has to be, I would be SHOCKED if it wasn't.

To suggest that PS2 Madden and PS3 Madden share the same engine tells me that you have not played enough PS2 Madden. These are two COMPLETELY different games, period.

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What you want is the Wii. That is PS2 Madden engine on a next gen system...

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Bro not even CLOSE to being the same engine... Just look at the passing game, and the blocking problems the new madden engine has been facing the last 3 years...
Why not? There Ps3 engine SUCKS!!! Ps2 gameplay is way better so why not just keep adding and update all the graphics?

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2k ported over their ps2 engines on all of their sports games. They were tops at first but MLB went downhill fast and NBA hasn't been making very many improvements lately and will be over passed. And NHL is already far behind EA.

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To answer the question. Zero percent chance they do what you are asking for.

They built the NG games from the ground up, and they will not just abandon that to try and recreate the old gen versions of these games.

Last gen games play great, but they have practically maxed out their potential with those engines. The new engines have a lot more capability, they have just had a lot of issues making the improvements to the game each year.

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That's what the Wii version is.

The reason you don't do it is because its too difficult. You can't just upgrade the graphics, its not as easy as that. If you just port the PS2 game you'll never reach the PS3s full potential.

I don't think the PS3 engine sucks. The game sucks but not the Engine it is built upon, if anything the graphcis on the Ps3 look pretty damn good IMO... its how the physics were implemented that sucks... that's not the engines fault (unless it was so poorly designed that it makes working on it a pain). An engine is just a world, how you build stuff in that world is the most important thing.

I would venture as far as saying that its easier to start from scratch on a new system than to port over from the PS2 and try to get equivalent results.

I completely agree with you that the PS2 game is great, and that it has many fantastic features that I would love to see in the NG game... but porting the entire game over is NOT the answer.

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Yep, the funny thing is though that the Wii version of Madden is exactly what he is looking for... assuming you could pass normaly without the gimmicky funky controller thing? That I don't know about... it would be cool if you could just plug in a normal controller in the Wii and play a prettier version of PS2 Madden.

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This is the blog he wrote on this subject when this was debated to death a few months ago...

I encourage everyone who hasn't to read this before making more posts on this subject.

http://www.operationsports.com/Ian_C...-a-new-engine/

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2k basketball is way beyond EA though, but I mean its basketball how much more can you do?

And as far as the NFL for 2k, they need to drop it now PLEASE... All Pro Football 2K8 sold more then NHL. And since all the Legends signed a 3 year contract why DIDNT they make another one???

I am not the biggest fan of 2k anymore...

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The game was too limited. No franchise... the non numerical stat thing wasn't a big hit... just not a lot of replay value for the offline user.

2k needs to just make a game with real player builds, fake names, and a powerful editor and they'd be back in business.

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Well, it doesn't really answer the main question.... Are the PS3... Engines, or components or whatever you want to call them, are they built from scratch or was there any porting from the PS2 stuff?

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It's not the "engines" in place that make the game what it is. It is how they are used and what is created with the engines that make the game.
They started from scratch with next gen because there were limits with the old stuff and they knew going forward that it was a better option. There is a lot more potential in what they are using now, but up to this point they haven't done the greatest of jobs getting the most out of what they have.
This is my understanding of it all, so I might not be exactly correct.

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It is not the same engine.

All next gen Maddens were built from the ground up.

It is one of Ian's biggest regrets that they did not port the Madden engine directly from the PS2/Xbox versions and build upon them on the new consoles.

It has taught them a valuable lesson though, Ian said, that being that when the next next generation of consoles arrive they will no way start building a new engine again, but stick with this one. Only constantly refining it as the new hardware allows.

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Everything was built from the ground up that is why all the features needed to be completely rebuilt and not simply ported over.

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I remember when this was posted. It does clarify some things, but IMHO the term "engine" still is a valid name to represent all gameplay aspects of the game.

OP wanting a game with the same "engine" as old-gen is a reasonable request. As Capnkill said, the Wii basically already has a ported version of the last-gen titles with better graphics.

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Really? very interesting. I would certainly have thought that porting from PS2 to PS3 was just not even a viable option, given how different the two platforms are....

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Actually I think Ian is happy with the new stuff but wishes they would have ported over until they were ready to start using the new engines.
Looking at Madden 06 they obviously weren't ready to be using the new engine.

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Well atleast they've learned... Its 5 years later now and they still haven't made a game better then 2K5...

But if in Madden 10, if this new "potential" doesnt start showing in a 4 year old engine and im all for porting PS2 and upgrading it... You will not hear me complain...

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I remember him saying that in hindsight, due to all the headaches/problems they have had with the below par Maddens since next gen, he wishes they had just used the same engine and refined it from then until now.

My thought at the time was yes, the previous versions have been very poor, but at least now, hopefully, the teething problems are out of the way and the power of this new engine can begin to shine.

This was then confirmed by Ian I seem to remember when he said that they were in a much better position now than they would have been if they had just ported.

Let's hope that Madden 10 is the proof.