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  • RGiles36
    MVP
    • Jan 2008
    • 3960

    #1

    Some Perspective From a Comm. Day Attendee

    Community Day was about a month ago today so it's a little late to put this thread together. But the integrity and objectivity of the 8 guys chosen is still coming up and I wanted to make a non-combative attempt to address it.

    I was roaming the boards this morning when I saw a little something that caught my attention:


    Seriously, anybody that has been flown down to Orlando as one of the very few to play the game months in advance doesn't really have an unbiased opinion anymore. Companies spend lots of money lobbying people with influence ... and getting that type of VIP treatment seems like an effective method of lobbying.

    And most of the guys who were flown down to Orlando seem like stand up dudes, whose opinions i've respected in the past. But each of the 8 dudes that were flown down there have come back as Tiburon apologists.

    I've seen posts of similar content for the past month, so this particular one is not all that different. But if I could, I'd like to throw my thoughts out there.

    It appears that some members of the OS community now look at us as one of them. Apparently, since we've come back from Orlando, we've had nothing but complimentary things to say about Madden 10 and the new direction. We're even coined as being bias now by some accounts . I once saw where a guy flat out said, "What happened to the old LBzRules???"

    Certainly, I was not naive enough to think that everyone would unanimously be on board with the 8 guys chosen and that everything would resume being 'reesy piecey' post Community Day. I knew we'd be looked at as tainted or sipping the Kool-Aid . But the truth of the matter is we've still been critical. We have still commented in threads pertaining to features that need improvement. And as Adem has said on a few occasions, much of the critical stuff is contained in our feedback Word documents that for obvious reasons, you guys can't see.

    Still, I get the feeling that some will continue to think we're bias until we rip EA and the development staff a new one as I'm sure some of us have done in the past. I can't speak for the other 7 guys, but chances are you won't see that from me.

    You won't read where I said, "These guys aren't trying. They're lazy. They need to hand the license over to 2K...etc." But I think that's what some of you are looking for as an indication that we're not bias.

    I challenge anyone (emphasis on anyone) to first be invited down to Orlando, get to know the team, take an in-depth look at their office and workstations, and come back and say that Tiburon doesn't get it. And I bet the other 7 guys feel the same way. If recognizing that the guys down in Orlando are busting their tails is considered sipping the Kool-Aid, then give me a refill . And no, I don't have a comment on the past Community Day reps and how those games were received once reaching the public.

    Without a doubt, the proof is still in the pudding and it'll remain that way. No amount of us babbling over the next three months will erase 4 years of memories of underwhelming Madden releases. But if you're looking for a reason for what some may define as a change in attitude, I wanted to shed some light on that.

    Feel free to discuss.
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  • splff3000
    MVP
    • Jun 2003
    • 2867

    #2
    Re: Some Perspective From a Comm. Day Attendee

    It's all good man. There's always gonna be haters. That's life. The fact that you guys are standing by it so much seems like a good thing to me. I'm pretty sure EA didn't brainwash you or nothing when you guys went down there. That takes more than one day....see USMC boot camp. That tells me you guys saw something you like and that means, most likely, it's something I'll like. That's the way I see it. Anyway, don't worry about the haters. Those that have been around for awhile, know what the real deal is.
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    • Prshredder000
      Rookie
      • Apr 2009
      • 39

      #3
      Re: Some Perspective From a Comm. Day Attendee

      Amen

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      • Danimal
        MVP
        • Mar 2003
        • 2199

        #4
        Re: Some Perspective From a Comm. Day Attendee

        It's simple

        If you came back with negative things to say you would still be the "stand up" guys you were before to a select number of people. But because you liked the direction of what you saw it doesn't go well with their agenda anymore so now you're no longer credible.

        It's a pretty simple fact when something people hate starts to get better, they get more defensive and negative and whats happening is you're really able to tell the guys who want a good football game from the guys who wouldn't like Madden ever.

        As more information starts to come out I only expect this to get worse. At least the straight up guys with the agenda are easy to spot and block. It's the guys pretending to want a good game that are more annoying.

        It's absurd what has occurred here and I really don't even like to visit anymore.
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        • Jetpac
          Banned
          • Jul 2007
          • 413

          #5
          Re: Some Perspective From a Comm. Day Attendee

          Good post, I've only seen one person from CD that think's he's an EA dev now and thats Rgiles. The Guy swears he's paid by EA. LBzrulez I probably follow his posts the most as his knowledge is extensive.

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          • salbowski
            Banned
            • Aug 2008
            • 928

            #6
            Re: Some Perspective From a Comm. Day Attendee

            Though i don't agree with the statement below, i can see why someone would type/believe it:

            Threads like this are why you've become "them" in some peoples eyes... why create the thread if you don't want to be treated differently!??!

            If one or two people write crap about you, who cares!?!? It's a forum... you're never gonna socialise in the real world with these people so why give a damn what they think about you in this world... but creating a thread about it isn't going to help yourself... some might perceive it as attention seeking.

            Just ignore those that doubt your integrity, they're just jealous.

            (just don't create threads like this.. it's unnecessary.

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            • Smoke316
              Pro
              • Aug 2003
              • 688

              #7
              Re: Some Perspective From a Comm. Day Attendee

              Great post..ther are lot of immature peeps out there. The best thing to do is just try and tune them it and think ian and company have been doing that for the most part. The fact that they are allowing us to have direct access and input into the game during its development and not just during patch time says a lot about the dedication, to me at least. I understand there are a lot of things we've been asking for and have not gotten, so there is little room to be skeptical..but we need to use some I learned in my accounting class called "constructive skepticism". Some people just have to learn to be constructive with there opinions, unless there just useless. If Ea continues this approach, there will be a day when Madden is all we want it to be (with an online franchise..lol)
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              • RGiles36
                MVP
                • Jan 2008
                • 3960

                #8
                Re: Some Perspective From a Comm. Day Attendee

                Originally posted by salbowski
                Though i don't agree with the statement below, i can see why someone would type/believe it:

                Threads like this are why you've become "them" in some peoples eyes... why create the thread if you don't want to be treated differently!??!

                If one or two people write crap about you, who cares!?!? It's a forum... you're never gonna socialise in the real world with these people so why give a damn what they think about you in this world... but creating a thread about it isn't going to help yourself... some might perceive it as attention seeking.

                Just ignore those that doubt your integrity, they're just jealous.

                (just don't create threads like this.. it's unnecessary.)
                Make no mistake about it my friend, I don't take what's said here to heart. I don't totally dismiss everything as I do have some guys on here who I'd consider a friend, but I'm not pulling my hair out.

                As for creating the thread, I had a similar thought process when composing it (was it necessary). Maybe it wasn't, but like you said, it's a forum. A place for discussion. I thought it was something good to chew on and I stick by that assertion.
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                • gr18
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 2325

                  #9
                  Re: Some Perspective From a Comm. Day Attendee

                  Originally posted by rgiles36
                  Make no mistake about it my friend, I don't take what's said here to heart. I don't totally dismiss everything as I do have some guys on here who I'd consider a friend, but I'm not pulling my hair out.

                  As for creating the thread, I had a similar thought process when composing it (was it necessary). Maybe it wasn't, but like you said, it's a forum. A place for discussion. I thought it was something good to chew on and I stick by that assertion.
                  This thread is necessary if it gives you a place to vent and others to rethink why they need to be that way.I'll tell you why...because they're jealous that you know something they don't.They will never get past the obvious fact that you guys can't give out all the info they're looking for.It was an early build but some think that you somehow hold all the answers.

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                  • Champ24
                    Rookie
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 294

                    #10
                    Re: Some Perspective From a Comm. Day Attendee

                    Ian and staff have totally sold me on their willingness to make things right. That's all it takes for me. Being in the development world myself I know the issues that come with software dev cycles and it's amazing all of the issues that have been addressed so far. These guys are alright with me and I hope this kind of outreach continues for years to come. Anyone who isn't appreciative of the effort just wants to continue to bash for the thrill of it.

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                    • dougdeuce
                      Pro
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 802

                      #11
                      Re: Some Perspective From a Comm. Day Attendee

                      Yes! Finally someone said it. I'm sure that they understand what this game needs to be, and this team sure seems like they're trying. I know if I had gone I would be "sipping the kool-aid" too. Great post man, if you can't tear them a new one, then tear us one!

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                      • mikeveli20
                        Rookie
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 355

                        #12
                        Re: Some Perspective From a Comm. Day Attendee

                        Originally posted by Jetpac
                        Good post, I've only seen one person from CD that think's he's an EA dev now and thats Rgiles. The Guy swears he's paid by EA. LBzrulez I probably follow his posts the most as his knowledge is extensive.
                        You do realize that's the guy who started this thread, right?

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                        • tennesseetitans
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 95

                          #13
                          Re: Some Perspective From a Comm. Day Attendee

                          I haven't been around as long as a lot of the guys here, but I'll say this. It's absolutely ridiculous to think that 8 guys from all across the country, many of whom are some of the most vocal and opinionated people on theses boards in their criticism of Madden (and I mean this in a good way), would suddenly become undiscerning and biased based on a 20 hours play test.

                          It's kind of like that move "Twelve Angry Men". Even if EA could have had that much sway on the opinion of most of the CD participates, I'm fairly certain that at least one of those eight would be outspoken if Madden was not vastly improved. You simply cannot brainwash people that feel as strongly about something as the CD members feel about their football game (again, in a good way).

                          I'm not going to discredit their opinion, but rather I look towards their posts as insight, since they're the ones that have spent time with the game, and they're the ones with the most basis for legitimate criticism of the game.

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                          • DeLuX
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 631

                            #14
                            Re: Some Perspective From a Comm. Day Attendee

                            K.

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                            • steez3
                              Pro
                              • May 2007
                              • 614

                              #15
                              Re: Some Perspective From a Comm. Day Attendee

                              also consider that atleast for me, when I first played NCAA and madden 09 I thought they were really good games and had alot of fun with them for about a week, checking out all the new stuff but when the new feel wears off thats when you really find all the faults.......I remember the bunch of us that got NCAA 09 the Friday before its release and everyone was on here saying how fun and amazing it was and posting EA sports world vids and everyone going bananas over them......then 2 weeks later the same people who were having a blast playing it at first were picking it apart. Not saying this is the case with the CD guys but thats just how it is for me and I'm sure i'm not the only one this happens to.

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