3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

[bigal093]

everybody thinks that in the 3-4 on here that the DEs get all the sacks, but actually they get basically 0-3 and the LBs get like 7 max, i simmed a season and had most get like 3-5. so basically they just don't get any sacks. idk if that could be fixed if the aggressiveness slider was increased in coaching-defense. but you can't do that for CPU(i dont think) so that wouldn't really do anything. this to me is a big deal b/c it literally takes away the impact of stars like demarcus ware, harrison, woodley, and many others, if i'm playing them and they aren't a factor(espically the steelers) than that completely kills their key to defense. while you may be able to play user and make the stats MORE realistic(but not where it should be), the CPU and simmed stats are bad. if you SIM, very few sacks occur for anyone.<script src="http://www.coolchaser.com/javascripts/freecause.js" type="text/javascript"></script><script src="http://www.coolchaser.com/javascripts/freecause.js" type="text/javascript"></script><script src="http://www.coolchaser.com/javascripts/freecause.js" type="text/javascript"></script><script src="http://www.coolchaser.com/javascripts/freecause.js" type="text/javascript"></script>

[-Boss-]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

I'm getting a good amount of sacks. My DE's have about 5 and my LB's have around 5-6. I'm only in week 6 too.

[bigal093]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

but are you playing your games??? im talking about simming them. I have done decent playing user.
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[-Boss-]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

Why would I sim?

[Jayhawkalumn05]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

I feel your pain, I'm playing as the Chiefs in a franchise. I'm in week 12 and have 1 sack. They have a 3-4 defense now, I'm starting to get quite frustrated because I changed the sliders to pass rush 100, CPU pass defense to 0 and my shed block to 100. Still it doesn't seem to make any difference.

[parrothead]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

What about the other games in the Franchise? You sim those right?

[theotherguy619]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

I just played GB vs. ATL (I was GB), and I sacked Matt Ryan 3 times in the first half with B.J. Raji. I had it set right between All-Pro and All-Madden (my skill all 13s).

[Patscanes]

EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

It seems that when I use the 3-4 in my franchise my Defensive Ends and Defensive Tackle get the most sacks out of any position on the team. In the 3-4 that doesn't happen...The outside Linebackers get most of the sacks..and in Madden 2010 Offline Franchise the Sim stats don't show that... I think Ea needs to fix that and also make it easier for an OLB to get sacks.

Another Problem is that the CPU AI blocks the same for a 3-4 defense as it does for a 4-3 defense..that needs to be fixed.....

Also during the off season during the draft and Free Agency Ea needs to address some things

Scenario 1:

The CPU Chargers enter free agency looking to upgrade their DE because Igor Olshansky signed with the Cowboys last year and hasn't been replaced. So they scour the free agent world and pick up... Dwight Freeney? What do you do? Now a 3-4 team has just signed a DE that doesn't fit their defense yet his ratings wont take a hit because they are universal for DE's in 3-4 and 4-3. And the CPU certainly wont make the switch to OLB.

Scenario 2:

The CPU Chiefs enter the 2010 draft looking to upgrade their OLB... they just switched to a 3-4 defense last year and need a PASS RUSHER. Sitting at the 11th pick there's an OLB... 6'0" 232 with 45 POW and 56 FIN... Might be a great fit at MLB or outside for a 4-3 team, but the CPU wont switch positions. But, 4 picks later the Steelers take a DE who is 6'5" 255 lbs who has a speed rating of 83. This guy who would, in reality, switch to OLB in their defense... but not in Madden!

The hybrid position would fix this so that who ever drafts them, they default into whatever position is more appropriate for the scheme... either DE or OLB.

This needs to be fixed


Special Thanks to "ImSkyKid"


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[Blokelahoma]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

It seems that when I use the 3-4 in my franchise my Defensive Ends and Defensive Tackle get the most sacks out of any position on the team. In the 3-4 that doesn't happen...The outside Linebackers get most of the sacks..and in Madden 2010 Offline Franchise the Sim stats don't show that... I think Ea needs to fix that and also make it easier for an OLB to get sacks.

Another Problem is that the CPU AI blocks the same for a 3-4 defense as it does for a 4-3 defense..that needs to be fixed.....

Also during the off season during the draft and Free Agency Ea needs to address some things

Scenario 1:

The CPU Chargers enter free agency looking to upgrade their DE because Igor Olshansky signed with the Cowboys last year and hasn't been replaced. So they scour the free agent world and pick up... Dwight Freeney? What do you do? Now a 3-4 team has just signed a DE that doesn't fit their defense yet his ratings wont take a hit because they are universal for DE's in 3-4 and 4-3. And the CPU certainly wont make the switch to OLB.

Scenario 2:

The CPU Chiefs enter the 2010 draft looking to upgrade their OLB... they just switched to a 3-4 defense last year and need a PASS RUSHER. Sitting at the 11th pick there's an OLB... 6'0" 232 with 45 POW and 56 FIN... Might be a great fit at MLB or outside for a 4-3 team, but the CPU wont switch positions. But, 4 picks later the Steelers take a DE who is 6'5" 255 lbs who has a speed rating of 83. This guy who would, in reality, switch to OLB in their defense... but not in Madden!

The hybrid position would fix this so that who ever drafts them, they default into whatever position is more appropriate for the scheme... either DE or OLB.

This needs to be fixed


Special Thanks to "ImSkyKid"


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I really don't think it matters what kind of D you run, if Dwight Freeney is available and willing to sign with your team, you should get him.

[Patscanes]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

I really don't think it matters what kind of D you run, if Dwight Freeney is available and willing to sign with your team, you should get him.

It does matter if your using a 3-4 Defense

It makes a big difference in real life a 3-4 Nose Tackle maybe gets 4 sacks a year and that's a maybe...Why? because those guys always get double teamed....and in madden 2010 they don't get double teamed which is a problem because if they did get double teamed that would then free up a hole for a Outside Lb or a MLB to come through..

The Offensive Line AI needs to be fixed....The Line shouldn't block a 3-4 defense like a 4-3 defense..that's not how it is in real life...

[SteelCityChamp]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

I run with the Steelers and they are a 3-4 Defense. I get sacks with Harrison, Farrior and Woodley all the time. I get a few with Hampton and Keisel but not like I do with my LBs. Yeah, Aaron Smith gets his share as DE but he does in real life too. Maybe you should tweak your settings. I have no problem with the 3-4. I run it like they run it and get pretty genuine results. 2008 regular season - Harrison had 16, Woodley had 12 and in third.......Aaron Smith (DE) with 6. My leading sack leaders in my franchise is Harrison and Woodley. Farrior only had 4 last year.

[Patscanes]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

I run with the Steelers and they are a 3-4 Defense. I get sacks with Harrison, Farrior and Woodley all the time. I get a few with Hampton and Keisel but not like I do with my LBs. Yeah, Aaron Smith gets his share as DE but he does in real life too. Maybe you should tweak your settings. I have no problem with the 3-4. I run it like they run it and get pretty genuine results. 2008 regular season - Harrison had 16, Woodley had 12 and in third.......Aaron Smith (DE) with 6. My leading sack leaders in my franchise is Harrison and Woodley. Farrior only had 4 last year.

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[monkeybutlerz]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

Realistic stats don't imply that it's being played in a realistic way (if that makes sense). I don't get the feeling that dominant DTs have as big of an impact on the game in Madden as opposed to real life because they don't require double teams in the running game, eating up space, clearing the way for LBs.

Taking a look at my own team, Ngata gets handled by single-blocking with relative ease, fairly often and from mediocre linemen.

Pass rush wise, I've seen many flaws, that I'll have to record on video for proof later on. I've had many instances where I have a blitzing edge rusher.

On one particular play, I had a blitzing safety, who was coming around the edge untouched and home free for an easy sack, but the opposing center (without even glancing in the safety's direction - not using procedural awareness) turned around and sprinted to take him out before he got there.

I had a another play in a nickel package where I brought another DB off the edge on a blitz and for whatever reason, without being blocked, he stopped in his tracks to let the QB throw (no pump fake, play action, step up in the pocket, pretense of running or anything of that nature to cause the freeze).

This game has really, really come a long way, but it still has some work to do to truly emulate the sport. I know some will say it's a game, it can't be perfect, or that I'm nitpicking, but I'm not complaining about the shading of grass or something trivial. These are things that can and should be tweaked to deliver a superior product in the future and this dev team that is in place will no doubt provide us with a true representation of the sport given the proper time and resources.

[Patscanes]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

bump

[imskykid]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

Much thanks to Patscanes for starting this thread... I started a similar one before finding this one but it has some of my thoughts.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2040029064