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  • jts20
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    • Aug 2009
    • 338

    #1

    My fix for progression. Opinions?

    This was a post i had on the EA Sports forum responding to a dev who was asking us what we thought the progression problem was(amazes me that some people don't see the problem of having 20-30% of the players having superstar ratings). What do you guys think of this?



    Alright Russ this is the problem and how to fix it. Players A) Come in too highly rated.(Which was supposed to be fixed this year, read it in an interview with a Dev online on a gaming website) and B) Get way better way too fast.

    For one, there should only be 10-20 5* recruits a year, like real life. They should be rated like this. 1*=49 overall and below. 2*=50-57, 3*=58-65, 4*=66-73, 5*= 74-81 with a standout player like a Reggie Bush or a Percy Harvin coming in once every 2-5 years and marked with a gold ea sports amazing high school talent symbol or something that comes in immediately rated 90-95 and will impact whatever lucky team gets him right away.

    Now that you have that fixed, issue number 2.

    Players are progressing way too much in the off season. Right now it doesn't matter if you recruit 5* athletes or 2-3* players because they are all 90-99 by junior/senior year. This makes it so EVERY TEAM IN A BCS CONFERENCE IS A B+ OR A- BY YEAR 5 OR 6. And mid majors are all c to A range, making everything too even. Most players should only get better by 1-2 overall points a year, that's how 95% of the players should progress. The other 5% progress 3-5%, with a hidden gem like a 2* recruit who progresses 10-15% every year and goes from a nobody to a stud 85-95 overall by his senior year ala Chad Greenway at Iowa. These players should be just as rare as the Harvin/Bush standout players mentioned above.


    There should only be like 2-5 teams in the country rated A- or above overall, it should take great recruiting efforts, like 3 top 5 recruiting classes in a row to be able to touch an A rating for your team. There should be some years where there isn't even a single player rated above a 97 or so. 99 ratings for players should be reserved for those special Harvin/Bush/Tebow/Laurinitis type players who only come along once in awhile for alot of teams. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD THERE BE MORE THEN 3-4 (99) OVERALL PLAYERS IN A SINGLE YEAR, NOT TO MENTION ANYWHERE FROM 30 TO F***ING 100.



    Follow my model and I PROMISE you, everyone will be so much happier. By the way, I love NCAA Football so much if you guys were to fly me out to wherever you develop the game, and pay for a place for me to stay and eat, I'd help you guys out with Dynasty mode for free besides the stuff I mentioned. I could help you guys get all the little things right and I'd be on message boards constantly getting ACTUAL CUSTOMER FEEDBACK. As long as you guys promise not to get too lazy on me and would work hard to make this a good game, I would seriously take time out of my job and life, take a 2-3 month vacation, and help you guys make dynasty mode a more in-depth experiance then it has ever been on any previous NCAA.

    And I understand that most of you guys aren't lazy, I just can't think of any other reason why the number one thing that has been wrong with the game since day 1 hasn't been fixed. Dynasty progression is killing dynasty mode, your best game mode. TO F***ING HELL WITH SEASON SHOWDOWN AND BUILD-A-TEAM, GET YOUR DYNASTY MODE RIGHT.
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    Originally posted by Cebby, after J_Rushing said he'd take Ponder over Tebow
    Decisions like that are why Tebow is on the #1 program in the country and Florida State is the #4 program in Florida.
  • Potatoes002
    MVP
    • Jul 2008
    • 2143

    #2
    Re: My fix for progression. Opinions?

    I just dont get how this was overlooked during development. Didnt they even sim 5 years into their own game and make an assumption about anything or what?

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    • klumdat
      Rookie
      • Aug 2008
      • 111

      #3
      Re: My fix for progression. Opinions?

      This has got to be one of the best post I have ever taken the time to read on these forums. I love the part about spending a 2-3 month vacation to help work on dynasty mode. I would be stoked to do that.
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      • mvandor
        Banned
        • Jul 2003
        • 777

        #4
        Re: My fix for progression. Opinions?

        There are enough threads on this already, they are pretending to be in denial about the issue IMHO because it's too time intensive to patch or will screw up imports to Madden (in spite of Adam's denial these products are interconnected).

        We had our two patches, further discussion is pointless, they aren't addressing it.

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        • GoToledo
          Pro
          • Jun 2008
          • 510

          #5
          Re: My fix for progression. Opinions?

          This guy gets it.

          I really hope they spread out the ratings next year. We need to differentiate the good players from the average and bad ones. The same thing can be said about the teams as well. Great post.
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          • Roggie
            MVP
            • Dec 2008
            • 1753

            #6
            Re: My fix for progression. Opinions?

            This is almost exactly what I've been telling people I play this game with. Recruits come in way too high. Not enough 2 stars stay 2 stars (hell, NONE do). They need to have an unknown rating that you find out AFTER you recruit someone: potential. You can get a 5 star with an F potential who never gets better. A 2 star can be an A+, and he becomes one of the ones who gets better like crazy. It doesn't even have to be a visible rating (I'd personally rather have it stay hidden). But they need to make it so some 5 stars fizzle out and even regress, while some 2/3 stars go nuts and become people like Larry English and Darren Evans (Yes, according to rivals, Evans was a 3 star recruit.)

            I also don't mind having some 3 star recruits be more like a 5 star, but if you do that, there should only be 3 or 4 of them, while there should be a handful of 4 stars who are more like 2.5 stars and some 5 stars who are 3 stars. Make it random. Don't make it so if I get a 5 star, I know I'm getting a 77 or better.
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            • NoDakHusker
              Ice Cold
              • Mar 2009
              • 4348

              #7
              Re: My fix for progression. Opinions?

              I think i saw that thread or something similar on the EA forums and Russ is in total denial. He refuses to admit there's a problem with progression. It's frustrating, because I think they know the problem is there, but will not admit it and are too lazy to work on a patch for it.
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              • jts20
                Rookie
                • Aug 2009
                • 338

                #8
                Re: My fix for progression. Opinions?

                Originally posted by mvandor
                There are enough threads on this already, they are pretending to be in denial about the issue IMHO because it's too time intensive to patch or will screw up imports to Madden (in spite of Adam's denial these products are interconnected).

                We had our two patches, further discussion is pointless, they aren't addressing it.
                Yeah I know there's threads discussing it already but I wanted opinions on my ideas for a progression model.
                Originally posted by Cebby, after J_Rushing said he'd take Ponder over Tebow
                Decisions like that are why Tebow is on the #1 program in the country and Florida State is the #4 program in Florida.

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                • DOSMedia4SC
                  Banned
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 207

                  #9
                  Re: My fix for progression. Opinions?

                  Originally posted by Roggie
                  This is almost exactly what I've been telling people I play this game with. Recruits come in way too high. Not enough 2 stars stay 2 stars (hell, NONE do). They need to have an unknown rating that you find out AFTER you recruit someone: potential. You can get a 5 star with an F potential who never gets better. A 2 star can be an A+, and he becomes one of the ones who gets better like crazy. It doesn't even have to be a visible rating (I'd personally rather have it stay hidden). But they need to make it so some 5 stars fizzle out and even regress, while some 2/3 stars go nuts and become people like Larry English and Darren Evans (Yes, according to rivals, Evans was a 3 star recruit.)

                  I also don't mind having some 3 star recruits be more like a 5 star, but if you do that, there should only be 3 or 4 of them, while there should be a handful of 4 stars who are more like 2.5 stars and some 5 stars who are 3 stars. Make it random. Don't make it so if I get a 5 star, I know I'm getting a 77 or better.

                  Best example of a hidden 2 star in college football right now is with out a doubt James Rodgers. One of the best all around receivers and do everything on offense type. Yup kid came in as a 2 star and I think he is actually now rated in the 90s in NCAA 10.

                  There are tons of 5 star guys out there that are busts.

                  There is another thing I have a problem with. Most of the time when players are injured for a long period of time they regress. There is no regression in this game. You can have a guy that gets hurt for a full year and next season he is rated 5 points better. I dont think that ever happens.

                  To the OP: I was actually reading that thread on the EA boards and was SHOCKED when the Developer didnt even know what people were talking about with Dynasty progression issues. He said
                  So I just got done running multiple sims into years 10+ and on average my players overalls looked like this:
                  Making it seem like that was the first time he even did that? This has been an issue since day 1, and this was the first time a developer actually looked into it?

                  I mean at least he is actually responding on that board, since that is I think the first time I have seen someone from EA interact with the customers about an issue on there.

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                  • JohnnyC5252
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 214

                    #10
                    Re: My fix for progression. Opinions?

                    One of the best commentaries posted on this forum. Its the redshirt freshman and freshman. They are rated way to high. I think progression isnt the problem, its the roster set. Every other game in the NCAA series players progressed form 1-7 points each year.

                    Yes, the freshman are coming in a little too high, but in my dynasty i started a few weeks back, i couldnt get a player over 78..... thats playin as pitt though.

                    I am working on a great roster file, I just finished the NON BCS schools. The progression actually looks fantastic with these rosters. The schools that I havent touched still are messed up.
                    If you want to take a look, sim a few seasons and watch how the smaller schools dont become powerhouses in a few years. Someone told me it actually looks like the Freshman arent coming in that highly rated either with all my re-ratings, hoping it curves it a little, but thats just wishful thinking on my part.

                    My psn is JohnnyC52

                    Please comment in my thread on the roster section of the NCAA Football board. Thanks

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                    • JohnnyC5252
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 214

                      #11
                      Re: My fix for progression. Opinions?

                      Originally posted by DOSMedia4SC
                      Best example of a hidden 2 star in college football right now is with out a doubt James Rodgers. One of the best all around receivers and do everything on offense type. Yup kid came in as a 2 star and I think he is actually now rated in the 90s in NCAA 10.

                      There are tons of 5 star guys out there that are busts.

                      There is another thing I have a problem with. Most of the time when players are injured for a long period of time they regress. There is no regression in this game. You can have a guy that gets hurt for a full year and next season he is rated 5 points better. I dont think that ever happens.

                      To the OP: I was actually reading that thread on the EA boards and was SHOCKED when the Developer didnt even know what people were talking about with Dynasty progression issues. He said
                      Making it seem like that was the first time he even did that? This has been an issue since day 1, and this was the first time a developer actually looked into it?

                      I mean at least he is actually responding on that board, since that is I think the first time I have seen someone from EA interact with the customers about an issue on there.

                      Thats a great example of a 2star gem. He is great, and so many schools overlooked him.

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                      • jts20
                        Rookie
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 338

                        #12
                        Re: My fix for progression. Opinions?

                        Yeah. The main thing they have to do is spread out the ratings. Anything rated 90 or above should be considered elite, not average.
                        Originally posted by Cebby, after J_Rushing said he'd take Ponder over Tebow
                        Decisions like that are why Tebow is on the #1 program in the country and Florida State is the #4 program in Florida.

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                        • tyler289
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 2933

                          #13
                          Re: My fix for progression. Opinions?

                          A big reason for the progression problems is because they tied training results into program prestige. If your team has good prestige, your players all improve like crazy.

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                          • jts20
                            Rookie
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 338

                            #14
                            Re: My fix for progression. Opinions?

                            Originally posted by tyler289
                            A big reason for the progression problems is because they tied training results into program prestige. If your team has good prestige, your players all improve like crazy.
                            That doesn't explain why 2-3* recruits that go to the likes of Utah State and Duke etc. all still end up highly rated?
                            Originally posted by Cebby, after J_Rushing said he'd take Ponder over Tebow
                            Decisions like that are why Tebow is on the #1 program in the country and Florida State is the #4 program in Florida.

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                            • DOSMedia4SC
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 207

                              #15
                              Re: My fix for progression. Opinions?

                              Originally posted by tyler289
                              A big reason for the progression problems is because they tied training results into program prestige. If your team has good prestige, your players all improve like crazy.
                              I like the idea of this concept, but I think they have it all wrong. Its not about the programs prestige, its about the coaching.
                              Example: Il use another Oregon State example... Oregon State is a 4 star program in this game (which is a correct rating). In reality their player progression would be considered some of the best in the country. Want proof? Heres some proof...
                              Oregon State last year had the second most NFL draft picks (tied with tOSU at 7). Want to take a stab at how many of those players were 4 and 5 star caliber HS players?---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                              If you somehow happened to guess ZERO then you are correct. Point being. Yes some schools have better progression in their players, but its not about the caliber in the school, its all about the coaching. I like the idea, it just needs to be fixed with that.
                              Also, like stated, freshmen still come in pretty high, but not every player in college progresses, and not everyone progresses that fast. Also players regress as well.
                              So I really do think the progression is an issue. This is the first time that NCAA has had this issue and they even said it themselves that they made it so players progress more, and thats what has ruined it.

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