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  • Cantgetright69
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    • Jun 2008
    • 382

    #1

    Is it bad programming or mediocre technology

    Would you say that the ai problem is bad programming or just computers arent smart enough to make right decisions and never will be.

    Like the trade logic and cpu ai. I'm wondering if Ea is doing the best they can just technology isn't there yet. Or does ea have the resources to make solid ai but just dont want to do it? Or what is it?
  • carnalnirvana
    Pro
    • Jan 2007
    • 1981

    #2
    Re: Is it bad programming or mediocre technology

    IMO its the programing namely the ratings... thats causing alot of problems
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    • instantpop
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      • Aug 2009
      • 374

      #3
      Re: Is it bad programming or mediocre technology

      Originally posted by Cantgetright69
      Would you say that the ai problem is bad programming or just computers arent smart enough to make right decisions and never will be.

      Like the trade logic and cpu ai. I'm wondering if Ea is doing the best they can just technology isn't there yet. Or does ea have the resources to make solid ai but just dont want to do it? Or what is it?
      One of the things I think has been an issue over at EA for years is that the various development teams don't seem to speak to each other. If you look at the presentations made on FIFA and their transfer logic this year, it's pretty astounding. So the technology is there, but perhaps the Madden team hasn't been able to have access to it to tune it for their game. It's one of the things I've never understood about how EA runs. The imbalance of absolutely spectacular games to ones that make you scratch your head (I'm looking at you NBA Live) is extremely puzzling.

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      • generasian
        Banned
        • Aug 2009
        • 7

        #4
        Re: Is it bad programming or mediocre technology

        Originally posted by Cantgetright69
        Would you say that the ai problem is bad programming or just computers arent smart enough to make right decisions and never will be.

        Like the trade logic and cpu ai. I'm wondering if Ea is doing the best they can just technology isn't there yet. Or does ea have the resources to make solid ai but just dont want to do it? Or what is it?
        I personally blame Ian Cummings. Madden needs a development lead that brings something new to the table. An innovator. A prime example is NBA Live 10. The series had been floundering for the past couple of years so the EA brass decided to hire directly from their competition, Mike Wang from NBA 2k.

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        • PhillyJim76
          Rookie
          • Jul 2004
          • 245

          #5
          Re: Is it bad programming or mediocre technology

          it's bad programming. the technology is there.

          it's just lazy sloppy programming

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          • erictaylor
            Rookie
            • Aug 2009
            • 38

            #6
            Re: Is it bad programming or mediocre technology

            Don't we have a complaints thread?

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            • sois
              Banned
              • Nov 2007
              • 1900

              #7
              Re: Is it bad programming or mediocre technology

              Originally posted by erictaylor
              Don't we have a complaints thread?
              This isn't a gripe, it's an honest question.

              I say the programming is flawed in the gameplay department. I think it's salvageable though. There is enough good stuff in Madden, but not enough of it.

              Everything looks like it halfway works. Just need to get it the rest of the way.

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              • Mofficial
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                • Mar 2009
                • 420

                #8
                Re: Is it bad programming or mediocre technology

                Programming. They have all of the tech that they need.
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                • emacfenian
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 215

                  #9
                  Re: Is it bad programming or mediocre technology

                  Bad programming. The AI was smarter on the last gen of Madden, and the technology was worse then.

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                  • Drukman
                    Rookie
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 45

                    #10
                    Re: Is it bad programming or mediocre technology

                    Originally posted by generasian
                    I personally blame Ian Cummings. Madden needs a development lead that brings something new to the table. An innovator. A prime example is NBA Live 10. The series had been floundering for the past couple of years so the EA brass decided to hire directly from their competition, Mike Wang from NBA 2k.
                    This is obviously a troll post but I'll reply anyway. This was Ian's first year as lead designer and Madden has innovated this year.

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                    • erictaylor
                      Rookie
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 38

                      #11
                      Re: Is it bad programming or mediocre technology

                      Originally posted by sois
                      This isn't a gripe, it's an honest question.

                      I say the programming is flawed in the gameplay department. I think it's salvageable though. There is enough good stuff in Madden, but not enough of it.

                      Everything looks like it halfway works. Just need to get it the rest of the way.
                      I must have the only great copy of the game, because i'm having a blast.

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                      • sois
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 1900

                        #12
                        Re: Is it bad programming or mediocre technology

                        Originally posted by erictaylor
                        I must have the only great copy of the game, because i'm having a blast.
                        There is no correlation between bad programming and fun. For all I know, you are amused by watching paint dry.

                        I'm sorry, but some of us notice football fundamentals when playing a simulation NFL game.

                        I wish I were you though, ignorance is indeed bliss.

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                        • Jump
                          Pro
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 603

                          #13
                          Re: Is it bad programming or mediocre technology

                          Originally posted by generasian
                          I personally blame Ian Cummings. Madden needs a development lead that brings something new to the table. An innovator. A prime example is NBA Live 10. The series had been floundering for the past couple of years so the EA brass decided to hire directly from their competition, Mike Wang from NBA 2k.
                          I've been pretty harsh on Madden 10, but to say Ian Cummings is the problem is one of the funniest things I've heard. People seem to assume that he has total reign over what happens at EA and Tiburon when it comes to Madden, and I doubt that's the case.

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                          • erictaylor
                            Rookie
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 38

                            #14
                            Re: Is it bad programming or mediocre technology

                            Originally posted by sois
                            There is no correlation between bad programming and fun. For all I know, you are amused by watching paint dry.

                            I'm sorry, but some of us notice football fundamentals when playing a simulation NFL game.

                            I wish I were you though, ignorance is indeed bliss.
                            If thats the case, you must be having a ball, because your reply here is awful ignorant. Gosh, I MUST not know anything about football, because I really enjoy Madden 10!!!!!!!!!!!

                            Great logic there, champ. I've played football for 10 years, I've played video game football since Bill Walsh's college football, I'm FAIRLY certain I know about the game. But hey, keep making assumptions about people you don't know, clutter up the board with more useless threads when you could just post in a sticky, knock yourself right out!

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                            • Tyrant8RDFL
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 3563

                              #15
                              Re: Is it bad programming or mediocre technology

                              Honestly at this point is really hard to know exactly what it is.

                              Ian came in here with the motto of "See it on Sunday see it in Madden" That didn't happen.

                              There was a huge list of features and adjustments that the game was going to have, and that also didn't happen.

                              I don't know if Ian talks a good game or he and his team is bad at programming. It's tough to call right now.

                              The way I feel. I'm going with bad technology. I know mediocre was posted, but I feel this engine is BAD!

                              Ian and his team deserves one more year before they can be blamed for anything.
                              I feel their hearts and energy are in the right place, but are using a horrible engine to work with, and cause of this it is making it tough on them.
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