Performance Vs. Equal Potential - I am Confused

[marktg30]

Just finished my second season with Cleveland. Won the Super Bowl over the Saints (say what you want about that being 'sim'....lol).

The problem is this:

James Davis Started as a 68 OVR with B Potentialin 2009.

• He ran 277 times 1424 yards and 17 TDs and progressed nicely to a 74 OVR.
• Won Offensive ROY and NFL RB Of the Year
  

I drafted a new HB after losing Jerome Harrison (HB - J. Jones)
Jones come in rated at 74 with B Potential.

In 2010

• James Davis ran 309 times for 1775 yards ad 13 TDs and won NFL Running Back of the Year for the second straight year.
  
• J. Jones ran 40 times for 108 yards and 6 TDs (a lot of TDs inside the 5 yardline)...

Now here's the kicker....

• Davis progressed only 3 Points to 79 OVR
• J. Jones progressed 6 points to an 80 OVR

I don't think it is too much to ask for an explanation of this screwy progression system.

EDIT -
Just simmed the next season to see what would happen.
-James Davis ran for 787 yards and 2 TDs (Progressed to 81 OVR) +2
-J. Jones ran for 265 yards and ZERO TDs (Progressed to 85 OVR) +4

This isn't right, it is in fact an insult and punishment to anyone that tries to do the best they can with a talented player.

Players have PRE-DETERMINED Ratings Progression, let it be known.

[kcarr]

Re: Performance Vs. Equal Potential - I am Confused

my first guess looking at the situation is davis's potential is around 81-82 and he slowed down because he is near it. The other guy probably has potential around 87-88 and since he isn't near that yet is still moving along. Players in their first couple years will generally progress as long as they don't preform terribly.

Also, it could have to do with where they were in different individual attributes and how much that allowed them to progress in those attributes and in doing so progress overall. For instance if one player has around 50 awareness and the other is around 80 it will allow the guy at 50 to progress faster in terms of awareness. It is possible that in areas such as awareness, vision, etc which have high effect on a rbs overall and improve pretty quickly davis was rated higher than the other guy and therefore was less likely to see huge improvements.

[Jump]

Re: Performance Vs. Equal Potential - I am Confused

Progression isn't solely based on performance, and that's the way it should be.

[kingkilla56]

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Yeah this game is looking more and more like that other game. First presentation and now these if-y predetermined ratings boost.
I remember in that other game that no matter what Eli Manning went from a 79 to an 85 to a 90 to 100 in 4 years everytime. After a few retried seasons the progression was identical. I think madden is following.

Madden 04 progression was best

[Argooos]

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This post highlights one of the major problems with progression. With potential as a set cap on progression, it ruins a lot of the fun of franchise mode. No matter how well you do with a player he will never exceed his potential.
Potential ratings should simply be a guide about how quickly a player progresses based on normal performance. If a player does exceptionally well in a season he should progress no matter what his potential is.

[Homecourt]

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The only thing that I would add is that one guy's B potential is not another guys B potential. Some might argue this, but my reasoning is based on the ability to sort by that category. Even when the players have ??s on other teams in franchise where you can't see the actual numbers, the column still sorts.

[shigogouhou]

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You all should be happy the productive players are staying at lower OVR ratings. Cheaper to re-sign them that way.

On topic: look around the NFL, look around college football. There are people who have great seasons, great careers, even, who aren't great players, they're merely good players in great situations. Production is based on the talent you have, and just because somebody isn't a 99OVR doesn't mean they can't produce like one given the right circumstances.

[marktg30]

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Progression isn't solely based on performance, and that's the way it should be.

You are taking a portion of what I am saying to 'prove' your point.

Both players have the same Potential....

[Homecourt]

Re: Performance Vs. Equal Potential - I am Confused

You are taking a portion of what I am saying to 'prove' your point.

Both players have the same Potential....

Not if you can agree to what I'm arguing. They don't necessarily have the same potential.

[tooldude79]

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I really dont think potential should be based on one guy's(dev's) opinion, especially since they made it uneditable. I, honestly, think it's quite humorous(narcissistic) that they thought it was a good idea to go that route,

Progression should be based on performance and age, nothing else..JMHO

[marktg30]

Re: Performance Vs. Equal Potential - I am Confused

Not if you can agree to what I'm arguing. They don't necessarily have the same potential.

I follow you completely. It is just the principle of the 'B' Potential. If that is the case it should be B+, B and B-.

I think I will end up editing my roster and bumping up certain players' ratings if the game can't handle doing it right in progression.

[Homecourt]

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Maybe this will help. I just traded Beanie Wells, Knowshon Moreno, Shonn Greene, Donald Brown, and LeSean McCoy to the Bengals.

Sorting by potential you get the following result:

B. Wells 78 (OVR)
K. Moreno 81 (OVR)
S. Greene 73 (OVR)
D. Brown 77 (OVR)
L. McCoy 75 (OVR)

edit-should have mentioned that they all have A potential - thanks for pointing out the lack of clarity firktaf.

[Argooos]

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I really dont think potential should be based on one guy's(dev's) opinion, especially since they made it uneditable. I, honestly, think it's quite humorous(narcissistic) that they thought it was a good idea to go that route,

Progression should be based on performance and age, nothing else..JMHO

Potential has been around for a long time, this is just the first year they actually showed it to us. I agree with you though in that it should be editable. If they allow us to edit it, there's no reason progression shouldn't be based on it to some extent.

[Homecourt]

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I follow you completely. It is just the principle of the 'B' Potential. If that is the case it should be B+, B and B-.

I think I will end up editing my roster and bumping up certain players' ratings if the game can't handle doing it right in progression.

I hear you, but then if they did the +&- would there be no room within the B- range for one guy to have a smidge more potential than his counterpart?

And I do agree with the humor in the 'one guy's opinion' on potential thing. But performance and age alone would really open things up to players (us) padding stats to turn a bum into a superstar. Not that it wouldn't be their right within the confines of their own game...
(could have some implications in a league though where one guy is just better on the controls than others. Would get pretty uneven pretty fast)

[tooldude79]

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there's no reason progression shouldn't be based on it(re: potential) to some extent.

Do you really think one guy in the EA office should have all the say in how good your favorite team's 3rd round draft pick is going to turn out? He has as much of a clue as any armchair draft guru. Maybe for the custom draft classes they create. But as far as players already in the league, it makes no sense.