are we stuck with this engine till xbox 720/ps4

[joshtree14]

It seems that madden will get very stale if it does not overhaul its engine. Normally we were getting a new system every 4-5 years, but now it seem we wont get a new sytem till maybe 2011/2012. So that means madden will be basically running on a 7 year old engine. They need do drastically overhaul this entire game while they still have at least 3 more versions left on the currant systems. can you imagine madden 12/13 being pretty much the same game as the one your playing now. Usually by now we are getting ready for a new system and a new engine, but it doesnt look like thats the case for the forseeable future

[CYST2000]

Re: are we stuck with this engine till xbox 720/ps4

Ive never heard of Xbox 720, and yes I believe we will be playing this engine for the next couple of years. It does seem to be getting better, and if the changes made this year are any indication of things to come, than next year could be pretty awesome. Ahhhhh next year.......

[z Revis]

Re: are we stuck with this engine till xbox 720/ps4

I don't see much wrong with the engine at it's current state. If you made this thread a year or two ago, then I would definitely agree. But I think it's getting better, and they're doing a good job with it, at least in Madden 10. If the improvement from last years game to this years game is any indication of the improvement in M11, we could be seeing a truly great football game.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

Re: are we stuck with this engine till xbox 720/ps4

Ive never heard of Xbox 720, and yes I believe we will be playing this engine for the next couple of years. It does seem to be getting better, and if the changes made this year are any indication of things to come, than next year could be pretty awesome. Ahhhhh next year.......

I don't see much wrong with the engine at it's current state. If you made this thread a year or two ago, then I would definitely agree. But I think it's getting better, and they're doing a good job with it, at least in Madden 10. If the improvement from last years game to this years game is any indication of the improvement in M11, we could be seeing a truly great football game.

Just curious you guys mention that things are getting better.

What exactly has gotten better?

1.A.I? No
2.Physics? No
3.Animations? No.
4.Blocking? No
5.Graphics? Yes
6.Presentation? Yes

This engine is the problem and I agree needs to be changed, but when you guys get a chance please explain to me what has gotten better, because from what I have experienced with Madden is the game only got prettier with graphics and more presentation, but the core of the gameplay is for from getting better.

[Pete1210]

Re: are we stuck with this engine till xbox 720/ps4

I can understand some complaints and pointing out things we'd like to see get better.

But I don't understand how anyone can say that Madden hasn't improved considerably this year, especially in the most important area of overall gameplay.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

Re: are we stuck with this engine till xbox 720/ps4

I can understand some complaints and pointing out things we'd like to see get better.

But I don't understand how anyone can say that Madden hasn't improved considerably this year, especially in the most important area of overall gameplay.

If you don't mind please explain where in the are of Important gameplay where Madden 10 has improved.

Thank you in advance for your time

[Jistic]

Re: are we stuck with this engine till xbox 720/ps4

You will play this engine til Xbox 1440. They'll tell you they build it again from the "ground up", but it'll be mostly the same.

[RGiles36]

Re: are we stuck with this engine till xbox 720/ps4

Just curious you guys mention that things are getting better.

What exactly has gotten better?

1.A.I? No
2.Physics? No
3.Animations? No.
4.Blocking? No
5.Graphics? Yes
6.Presentation? Yes

I'm trying to avoid jumping on the web at work, but I felt this warranted a response:

1) The question is, has AI not improved? Granted, there are still some anomalies in the playcalling that I've seen here or there. But you can't tell me that the AI hasn't improved in some capacity since Madden 08 (my first year on the 360). You almost make it seem as though AI has been stagnant and/or ignored. The introduction of Adaptive A.I. & Madden IQ, regardless of their current functionality, prove to us that AI is not being ignored.

2) Physics is tricky, but I see the presence of physics a lot more in M10 than I've seen the past two years.

3) Animations have DEFINITELY improved. Some of the tackles are still a bit repetitive, but I think M10 is the first year where tackling in its simplest form has improved. They're a lot more realistic than they have been in years past. Couple that with signature animations (finally) and the introduction of Pro-Tak, and it's hard to say that animations have NOT improved.

4) I keep pointing back to Madden 08, but the blocking was HORRIBLE in that game. The AI would sack you at the least 4-5x a game. Blocking and blocking AI is not in 2K's ballpark, but it has improved.

[GeDDeN7xxl]

Re: are we stuck with this engine till xbox 720/ps4

Just curious you guys mention that things are getting better.

What exactly has gotten better?

1.A.I? No
2.Physics? No
3.Animations? No.
4.Blocking? No
5.Graphics? Yes
6.Presentation? Yes

This engine is the problem and I agree needs to be changed, but when you guys get a chance please explain to me what has gotten better, because from what I have experienced with Madden is the game only got prettier with graphics and more presentation, but the core of the gameplay is for from getting better.

great job great point!!!!

[GeDDeN7xxl]

Re: are we stuck with this engine till xbox 720/ps4

I'm trying to avoid jumping on the web at work, but I felt this warranted a response:

1) The question is, has AI not improved? Granted, there are still some anomalies in the playcalling that I've seen here or there. But you can't tell me that the AI hasn't improved in some capacity since Madden 08 (my first year on the 360). You almost make it seem as though AI has been stagnant and/or ignored. The introduction of Adaptive A.I. & Madden IQ, regardless of their current functionality, prove to us that AI is not being ignored.

2) Physics is tricky, but I see the presence of physics a lot more in M10 than I've seen the past two years.

3) Animations have DEFINITELY improved. Some of the tackles are still a bit repetitive, but I think M10 is the first year where tackling in its simplest form has improved. They're a lot more realistic than they have been in years past. Couple that with signature animations (finally) and the introduction of Pro-Tak, and it's hard to say that animations have NOT improved.

4) I keep pointing back to Madden 08, but the blocking was HORRIBLE in that game. The AI would sack you at the least 4-5x a game. Blocking and blocking AI is not in 2K's ballpark, but it has improved.

The AI is still light years behind the 2k series, STILL!!!! The AI has improved, you are right but still lacking. The AI should be so great that it should never come up in any convo!!! EA has be making football games forever they should be the masters at it!!!!!!!!!!!!
They added more animations yes!! AND they have improved but it seems with every step forward Madden takes 2 or 3 back!! a lot of the break tackle animations are given to the wrong type of players and they come out at the wrong time!!! Reggie Bush should never run over a D Linemen, Never!!! Why is that over the should catch so common? We also have this motion shift catching BS, thats an animation!!! Physics is tricky!?! lol Physics, strength, momentum, positioning, and weight are non-existing and obviously mean nothing in the Madden SERIES!!!! Please watch this video if you dont believe me!!! go to youtube and look up "Madden10 Game Review-all madden exposed" all of what I said is proven here!!!

[jeremym480]

Re: are we stuck with this engine till xbox 720/ps4

I'm trying to avoid jumping on the web at work, but I felt this warranted a response:

1) The question is, has AI not improved? Granted, there are still some anomalies in the playcalling that I've seen here or there. But you can't tell me that the AI hasn't improved in some capacity since Madden 08 (my first year on the 360). You almost make it seem as though AI has been stagnant and/or ignored. The introduction of Adaptive A.I. & Madden IQ, regardless of their current functionality, prove to us that AI is not being ignored.

2) Physics is tricky, but I see the presence of physics a lot more in M10 than I've seen the past two years.

3) Animations have DEFINITELY improved. Some of the tackles are still a bit repetitive, but I think M10 is the first year where tackling in its simplest form has improved. They're a lot more realistic than they have been in years past. Couple that with signature animations (finally) and the introduction of Pro-Tak, and it's hard to say that animations have NOT improved.

4) I keep pointing back to Madden 08, but the blocking was HORRIBLE in that game. The AI would sack you at the least 4-5x a game. Blocking and blocking AI is not in 2K's ballpark, but it has improved.

Great Points!! While, I admit there is plenty of work to be done but, I do think the team is moving in the right direction.

People who don't think they've improved (at all) need to pop in a copy of Madden 08 or even 09, for that matter and they will tell a difference. If they don't admit theres a difference then well, I don't think anyone can help them at that point.

[huskerwr38]

Re: are we stuck with this engine till xbox 720/ps4

Ive never heard of Xbox 720, and yes I believe we will be playing this engine for the next couple of years. It does seem to be getting better, and if the changes made this year are any indication of things to come, than next year could be pretty awesome. Ahhhhh next year.......

It's always next year, next year! That should be EA's motto, Wait till next year!

[Pared]

Re: are we stuck with this engine till xbox 720/ps4

Way too much discussion about scrapping an engine than the actual game. There are multiple areas that make up this "engine." You're more than welcome to discuss each in the various threads already doing so.

Gonna lock this one up before it gets ugly (and redundant).