What Has Been Done to RB Slant Routes?
 

In under center plays and shotgun, when you hotroute the RB to a slant, he WALKS straight forward until he is about 5 yards past the LOS, then cuts out on his slant.

If this is intentional, it might be the most ridiculous thing Ive ever seen in Madden. RB slants arent even an exploit at all. They get bumped plenty when theyre run, its not like he's always going to have a free release to the outside.

This tactic was a SAVIOR against people who spam you with bump n run man coverage nanos all game. Why would anyone in their right mind think that this was a logical "fix" to anything in the game? It most certainly isnt. If you want to make drastic gameplay changes fix the piss poor o-line and take out the ability to rocket catch with the right stick.

Re: What Has Been Done to RB Slant Routes?
 

i havnt downloaded the patch yet so idk wat ur talkin bout but htis sounds jus like ea...they dont know how to fix sumthin so they come up with some stupid way to make it less effective

Re: What Has Been Done to RB Slant Routes?
 

Flats are piss poor coverage, might as well break slant outs by the R/B. Right...:confused:

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100% correct....lets look back at some of the other dumb band aids that have been put on problems in Madden instead of finding a way to fix it....
The Rocket Catch-took out the ability to strafe on offense for 09, which people still found a way around by just moving down with the left stick(and now the right stick in Madden 10).

Ignored Logical Solution-look to the ps2 version and see how the RC was COMPLETELY EXTINCT after Madden 06. It was done before so why not now with better tech?

Sprinting backwards with the QB-bandaid this with auto-drop back(taking away control from the user and making the QB a HUGE SITTING DUCK for nanos)

Ignored Logical Solution-make any pass thrown immediately after sprinting backwards be terribly inaccurate.

Nanos-on ps2 they took away the ability to change a defenders blitz angle(which actually worked but this is still just a bandaid)

Ignored Logical Solution-expand on the pass blocking options the user has...like "Protection Spotlight" for starters, Madden NEEDS THIS!!!

Re: What Has Been Done to RB Slant Routes?
 

This is no surprise. They did the same thing in NCAA10 to "fix" the problem. It's ridiculous.

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This is my biggest gripe with madden. Watching guys online roll 10 yards back word throwing off their back foot across their body accurately 30 yards downfield

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Im all for a realistic balanced game.....but this HB walking thing is just ridiculous. It doesnt even contribute to a balanced game at all.....HB slant routes arent the way that people are abusing the flats. All this has done is give the offense one less option in a game where the defensive pressure is already over the top and ridiculous.

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Lol.. that's how you address an issue in a patch :) I just tried it and it looks awful - major bug!

I had an issue with passive DBs in my first game with the new patch. Two times they wouldn't defend the pass when it was thrown straight at them. They would just position themselves and do nothing.

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This is a bunch of sh!t, EA needs a new patch to correct their 'fix' in this patch!

Put the RB slant back in, or make it a different route altogether.

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I cant lie, that is pretty pathetic. No one WALKS around on the field. I'm sorry, they just don't.

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It's not the answer. But the good thing is, the WR's get off the line better now. So I guess we'll have to use the back as a blocker. The thing is as long as the back is not in the backfield the route is not affected. You can motion the back to the slot and have him on a slant and it is not slowed down. Also, they opened up another can of worms by having it slow like it is. Now it's just money against zone because of the LB hook zone depth.

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This patch is terrible, I haven't even noticed any differences other than the broadcast camera having been added.

They can list whatever the hell they want in the patch notes, but until the gameplay drastically improves, I could give a rat's behind.

Re: What Has Been Done to RB Slant Routes?
 

they should just give us wheel route left/right for the HB. They had this on NCAA 06 I believe. Change the route instead of having him walk to the line.

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This. It's not rocket science lol

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I just do not understand what is so difficult about simply having the zone defenders inthe area, defend the dang route.

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I'm hearing so many things about what this patch does and what it doesnt, I havent had time to play since its release but I guess I'll have a hard time deciding what I'm gonna do about it...

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I completely disagree with all of you guys!!!

Theres no way in hell you should be able to have 10 catch 160 yd performances with brandon jacobs and michael turner!!

The patch makes you read defenses and pass to the best RATED receivers on the field.

Reggie Bush is now much more lethal out of the backfield than the big backs.

EA did a fabulous job with this patch and i may never lose a game online again LMAO

Re: What Has Been Done to RB Slant Routes?
 

No the patch has actually changed the game dramatically.

Now i agree with you guys about how its unrealistic to have the running backs run that slow, but if they weren't going to correct the db ai first then this was the next best solution and not nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be

Re: What Has Been Done to RB Slant Routes?
 

So you disagree about changing the hot route vs what they have done to the slant? I don't see how changing the hot route to a wheel route will net the performance you are talking about. The patch doesn't make you read defenses any more or less than you had to before. You know if it is zone or man before or after the patch. Secondly, with the way the slant is, it is not going to cut down on the performance of the HB unless the person on D is playing man. If they play any zone, you will be able to hit that HB for 7 a pop. Just throw it well before he makes the cut underneath the hooks zones and it is an easy 7 to 8 yards. Maybe more depending on the HB's break tackle/truck.

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I think in the second patch they are going to give the H/B a Dachshund to walk around with...

However, while in any Gun formation you can put the Back into a slant out, send in motion and hike the ball about 1/2 a secound after sending in motion just before he starts to move, and he will run the same as before the patch...

Re: What Has Been Done to RB Slant Routes?
 

what did you guys expect. They've been developing the game for less than 12 months. seemingly doing so without much game testing outside the walls of EA. It takes one game to notice the glaring problems the game has. man/zone flat coverage is number one in my book.

did you think they would cook up some magical patch at the last minute that would answer all your prayers to fix madden 10?!:y220:

of course not. :nono:
you got band aids and any adjustments you get for this game will be just that band aids. they don't have time to test "legitimate" code changes, and release it to the public. give it up. wait for next year and hope they refocus their energy on gameplay and not the bells and whistles.

i refuse to buy next year's madden. heck might not buy it until 2013.

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You guys want to know how all of these problems could be solved? If EA would stop turning their noses up at the people they call "glitchers" or "cheezers"....and actually use those peoples knowledge to find and eliminate problems in the game. Alot of tourney guys who use stuff like that only do so because they can and because money is on the line. Not all, but many of them want a more realistic and balanced game too.

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Buddy they dont turn their nose up at Cheezers , they cater the game to them. This sure isnt an accurate representation of sim football.

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way too much complaining. look, i hate cheesers as much as the next guy, but at the end of the day, if you have ever played football and understand the concepts, there are other things to do vs. the blitz. try two te's, screens, quick slants from the slots. stop the bitching and learn the game of football, it will help you in your video game playing as well.