I swear if i hear this phrase again i'm gonna smash something..."that's 3 unanswered goals!!" gary thorne yells. I swear i have played 3 games in a row now where this has happened and it happens WAY too often in this game. I'll be up 1-0 or 2-0 and then if the CPU scores a goal, they then proceed to score on the next two shots also. Leading to three goals in usually less than a minute. ANd this is happening on PRO difficulty!! This game feels SO scripted when this happens, i swear i don't remember much of this last year. I mean it's okay every once in a while, but this is so scripted...I even turned goalie reaction up 1 tick and it still happens. I've also lost 4 games in a row by the same score of 4-2...this never used to happen in 09. Is anyone else experiencing this crap?
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Re: 3 unanswered goals by CPU
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Hey, just be thankful you can score two goals so that the CPU has to score three to win! I have trouble scoring one a game.
The scripted part that's annoying to me is the way the CPU only needs one shot on goal in order to answer back. I'll take shot after shot and finally score, but then the CPU grabs the faceoff, skates into my end and first shot it's in. Cheesy as heck. I'll be looking at NHL 11 to see if they removed that scripted/comeback stuff. If not, I wouldn't be buying this game again.Comment
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Yep agree w/ you 100%...i wish they wouldn't have changed the AI so much this year. I mean 09 wasn't perfect, but it's better than this...You know what else is so frustrating this year? the way the CPU scores on it's first shot on goal in the first period. This has happened more than 10 times to me in around 40 games played. And how often does that actually happen in the NHL.
Baa7,
so it still happens to you even on all-star? and you edit goalie ratings right? A lot of times for me it's on rebounds where the goalie doesn't slide over to the far post (even w/ reaction time @ 4) But it just feels like that once they score you know the next one or 2 shots are gonna go in no matter what i doComment
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It happens on all levels, no matter what the player ratings are. I have a test roster where I've edited every CPU rating down to 0 (50). I can play usng that roster, and when the CPU decides it's time to score, suddenly it's skating circles around me and scoring with one-timers. It's truly ridiculous game programming.
The only semi-fix I've found is lowering players' Aggressiveness ratings down. That helps keep the scripted programming from kicking in too often and too strongly. But it doesn't eliminate it completely.Comment
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I've had 10-game winning streaks and 10-game losing streaks in this game. I'll say this: the gameplay literally changes based on how you're going.
My 10th straight win, just recently, was so stupid I was debating moving up to Superstar. I won 11-1 and outshot the CPU like 50-16.
No sooner did I start thinking this way - that the game was "too easy" - did I lose my next game.
I then lost three more in a row.
During my 10-game losing streak, I swear six of them were 4-3 OT games.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is, if you're not scoring goals, it's because you're not scoring goals. If you're giving up leads, it's because it's what you've been doing.
In my case, I could just feel it: until I won one of those OT games, I wasn't going to win. Getting to OT so many times was the CPU's way of telling me: "this is where you are." In my case, it was saying "you're good enough to get to OT, you're not good enough to win." In your case, it seems to be saying, "you're good enough to take the early lead, you're not good enough to hold it."
I went 29-41-13 (DEAD LAST in the league) my first year with the Leafs; I'm currently 21-8-3 this season, using the same sliders for all 114 games. My advice to you, and any sports gamer, really, is to just accept it for what it is: you/your team can't hold a flippin' lead!
Or you can go the route of countless others, call it "crap" and blame the AI.Comment
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OKay i'm glad you posted that because there was a game a while back where i won 10-1 and i thought the game was ridiculously easy, but ever since then it's been like 4-2 and 4-3 games...so i guess i just need to keep playing and all things will even out at the end of the year...i totally see in the game what you are saying, about how the game plays out based on how YOU have been playing lately. But i think sometimes it plays out that way for TOO long. leaving us w/ lack of score variety game to game...i was looking at my NHL 09 season i played last year, and looking at the box scores it was hard to find a game that had similar results in the same MONTH...but i'm really interested in what sliders you use?? (hopefully something close to default because i really hate using sliders anyway)Comment
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It's an EA thing apparently. I bought FIFA last week. Like I do with all games, I create a test roster where I lower all players ratings to 0. Then I start tweaking/testing rating effectiveness.
Yesterday I'm playing my team with normal ratings against the CPU with all ratings at 1 --1 speed, 1 agility, 1 passing, 1 shot accuracy, etc. I'm having an easy time of it, leading by 3 goals when it suddenly happens -- the CPU momentum kicks in. For the second half of the game, the CPU goes into berserker mode and starts ping-ponging perfect passes and crosses up and down the field. Every loose ball magically bouces right to a CPU player. CPU players are suddenly sprinting around my 70-80 speed-rated players. The CPU ends up outshooting me 14-1 and the game ends as a draw when the CPU scores at the 85 minute mark on a slow-rolling shot that my CPU-controlled goalie flew overtop of because he decided to lunge for it instead of simply picking up -- and yes, it was rolling that slowly.
Like I said, it's an issue with EA games in general. It's not quite correct to say it's scripted -- I'm using that word because you seem to understand the concept. It's more to do with gameplay AI that kicks in and favors the CPU while handicapping your team. Sure, all we can do is shrug our shoulders and keep playing. But that doesn't and shouldn't excuse such ludicrous game programming.Comment
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Yeah, I hate the CPU for only shooting at sure goal scoring chances. Played a battle for the cup, the cpu was constantly around 17 shots but had 3 goals within, whereas I had 40 shots to get 4 so its frustrating cause you dont let the cpu shoot because you know its gonna go in, even on low percentage chancesComment
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correct me if im wrong but, i remember Littman saying, everythings completely random this year. guess not?Get "Real" EA SportsComment
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I see the same basic stuff in MLB2K series and the NBA2K series, so it's not just an EA thing, but I agree it's all the other EA games too. Notice how in each of the past three years in MLB2K, there are hosts of people saying pitching is too easy, then that HR's are too easy, then, later, people start posting that they can't stop the CPU offense, then another guy starts a thread talking about how he can't hit HR's at all.
People dicking around with all the sliders just makes the picture fuzzier; but what I'm saying is that every sports game I've played this gen is coded in such a way that 90% of all the gripes I see around here are at least partially related to these play-to-play and game-to-game momentum systems that most of the games seem to have. (Are there any games anymore that don't have player and team ratings that fluxuate from game to game?)
It's why half the NCAA community is still complaining about not getting pressure on the CPU QB, while other guys come into those threads and can talk about getting 6 and 8 sacks in a single game. It's not about stick skills per se; it's about having an approach and sustaining pressure.
I think what happens to a lot of guys is that they start winning "too easily" and immediately want to change the sliders or difficulty setting, when if they'd just keep it at it, believe you me, the CPU will win some games; not because of "BS," but because you have a tendency to lose focus on your approach, you start to subconsciously cheese (just mindlessly skating the puck up the wing every possession, instead of making "sim" plays like dump & chase, attacking the net, setting up in the corner, dump & set up on D, etc., etc., etc.).
What is counterintuitive about all of this is that, in my experience, the CPU (as an opposing team and your teammmate AI) actually plays better and smarter the better and smarter YOU play. I'm arguing the CPU cheeses and does cheap ish when YOU cheese and do stupid ish. When YOU play tight and sim, so does the CPU.
I can't get enough of this "teammate AI is dumb" talk, because every time all I'm ever thinking is, "Dude, you need to play better if you're getting crap AI." I've played bad many times; I know what people are talking about. The difference is, I've played effin sweet enough to know that AI play GETS BETTER the better I play. Threads about AI teammates not getting in front of the net, AI teammate defense being "awful": yeah, I've seen all that - in games I played like ****! But I've also seen games where my AI will virtually make all the plays for me - deflecting in goals, crashing the net, intercepting passes, etc.; I just have to pass at the right time, shoot at the right time, and stay in position on defense.
And what I'm saying is that when this happens is when you're not playing well. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, or that your description of the "problem" is inaccurate; but I am saying that when it happens is not random, but instead is DIRECTLY related to how well you are playing.It's more to do with gameplay AI that kicks in and favors the CPU while handicapping your team.
If you take 33 shots and all 33 are saves w/o a rebound, bet the farm you're playing like crap. When you start seeing things like shots that miss the net that your teammates can then crash to, play the boards, and re-setup on offense, you're playing well. Hit the post? You're close to a goal, keep doing what you're doing. CPU goes offsides three of four possessions, you're playing great D (opposed to it being a "CPU goes offsides too much" issue, like I remember one thread saying). Conversely, if the game is stale, boring, lacking animations, and 0-0, chances are the reason is YOU, not the AI or the game.
Not trying to say this game (or any other game) is perfect, but my basic thesis is that the games all get better the better you play. And you (not you, baa7, but anyone) will never see what I'm talking about if at every turn you're messing with sliders, editing ratings, and complaining this and that is BS.
The game is BS when YOU PLAY like BS. When you're on your game, in the zone, whatever you want to call it, nothing that happens is BS. I haven't given up one of those "soft goals" so many guys are complaining about in like 30 or 40 games; every goal I allow, I know why it happened, and it was ALWAYS my fault. Yes, occasionally - and realistically - you'll allow a goal (or even two or three) where you really didn't do anything wrong, but that's just simulating sports: sometimes you just tip your cap, if you follow me.
Anyway, I didn't mean to go on this long. Just something I've been paying very close attention to for years now, and I see it exhibited in ALL the sports games this gen. And, not coincidentally, the fact that I seem to be one of the only people who sees this, is why I also seem to be one of the only people who actually think the sports games this gen have almost all been utterly fantastic while everyone else seems to be on this rabid bitchfest with 90% of what they post.Last edited by NEOPARADIGM; 11-08-2009, 02:30 AM.Comment
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Re: 3 unanswered goals by CPU
my tip is. start playing nhl 2004 on pc
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@ KILLPWNZ
I do agree with you, but the problem I was talking about is, that the cpu will have around a 20-30% conversion ratio in their game, whereas this is not normal with regard to the real world. This was the case in 09 and is the case in 10 again. Go and look at an NHL game. Most of the times teams get 3-8 very good scoring chances but will only burry 1 or 2 of them. Whereas in the game, these scoring chances are sure goals on the behalf of the CPU. So even if you would play perfect D the cpu will still burry 1-2 goals without you having the possibility to stop them. This makes people freak out that as I pointed it out you will have shot totals of 40-12 and still loose 1:3. Its not the fact that you win or loose, but the fact that the cpu gets 3 out of 12 so around 25% conversion ratio which is ridiculously high.Comment
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