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  • Saber
    MVP
    • May 2004
    • 2028

    #1

    For those who use a 3-4 defense

    Have you had any luck with converting college defensive ends to outside linebackers? They seem to go down way too far (I assume because of the obvious lack of coverage skills for defensive linemen).
  • Saber
    MVP
    • May 2004
    • 2028

    #2
    Re: For those who use a 3-4 defense

    Forgot to add a note: I've tried also assigning a coach that helps improve linebackers as well as tried finding a training staff that would also help improve my backers... but nothing really seems to help. I drafted Latroy Lamont in the first round and he dropped all the way to the 60s... even though he's like a mid 80s speed and strength I think.

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    • jvaccaro
      MVP
      • Jul 2008
      • 1037

      #3
      Re: For those who use a 3-4 defense

      I'd suggest drafting LBs for your DEs. You can draft amazing LBs in the 4th-5th rounds, sign them to 7 yr deals, then turn them into 90+ OVR rookies at DE.

      Also, draft LBs for your LBs. DEs will very rarely convert to LBs properly because of the ratings system, and they cost way more to sign.
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      • Saber
        MVP
        • May 2004
        • 2028

        #4
        Re: For those who use a 3-4 defense

        Originally posted by jvaccaro
        I'd suggest drafting LBs for your DEs. You can draft amazing LBs in the 4th-5th rounds, sign them to 7 yr deals, then turn them into 90+ OVR rookies at DE.

        Also, draft LBs for your LBs. DEs will very rarely convert to LBs properly because of the ratings system, and they cost way more to sign.
        I've frequently converted CBs to Ss, LBs to DEs (I actually have more luck with MLBs since they usually have a higher strength rating which prevents the annoying pancakes) and DEs to DTs, but in the case of using 3-4 defense, I generally prefer to have bigger/stronger outside linebackers but never really have much luck in drafting such.

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        • jesse_8711
          Banned
          • Feb 2007
          • 63

          #5
          Re: For those who use a 3-4 defense

          ya im struggling with the exact same problem; if anybody has any suggestions please share it with us

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          • Saber
            MVP
            • May 2004
            • 2028

            #6
            Re: For those who use a 3-4 defense

            in converting Lamont he didn't increase 3 of 5 years and finished as a 79 overall before I gave up on him... I'm beginning to think there's no chance of drafting the next great DE turned OLB.

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            • Steeler99
              Banned
              • Jul 2004
              • 1655

              #7
              Re: For those who use a 3-4 defense

              Originally posted by Saber
              in converting Lamont he didn't increase 3 of 5 years and finished as a 79 overall before I gave up on him... I'm beginning to think there's no chance of drafting the next great DE turned OLB.
              Looks like the only option is to draft OLB's out of college if the 3-4 defense is being used. Every attempt I have made to switch a DE to OLB has caused WAY too much of a drop off in ratings. The way progression works I'm guessing we'd be much better off sticking with college LB's to fill the OLB role of the 3-4?

              Now at the D-line positions, I think we can draft either bigger DE's or DT's to fill those roles as both ratings seem to transfer for those positions.

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              • MF DOOM
                Rookie
                • Oct 2009
                • 46

                #8
                Re: For those who use a 3-4 defense

                not sure if its really worth it. id say try converting LBs to DE, maybe DT to DEs if you do 3-4, i have a 49ers franchise i did that with, bumped the guy from 66 DE to like 77 DT. ive done that, especially w/ ravens, Haloti Ngata is like 89 DE but 99 DT wtf!!! also ive notcied certain DEs are better DTs, not sure why. another good one is Brian Orakpo, olb is like 80 but De is like 94 or something, got 30 sacks with him one year (11 sacks 1st two games i started him in) and they were all CPU sacks. next year it evened out, i guess the cpu gameplaned for him cause this year its much better.

                another thing, i almost always use 3-4, and when you convert the Lbs to DE, it really is like having 6 LBs on the field. the key is having good MLBs and DT to make sure middle wont be over run.

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                • Saber
                  MVP
                  • May 2004
                  • 2028

                  #9
                  Re: For those who use a 3-4 defense

                  I've decided to just draft the DE to play linebacker for one position and hope that using him heavily will lead to good numbers which will lead to a higher rated player.

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                  • GlennN
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 1930

                    #10
                    Re: For those who use a 3-4 defense

                    Originally posted by Saber
                    I've decided to just draft the DE to play linebacker for one position and hope that using him heavily will lead to good numbers which will lead to a higher rated player.

                    Interesting thought! Please post the results. I am curious if that works.

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                    • cjonas82
                      Rookie
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 62

                      #11
                      Re: For those who use a 3-4 defense

                      i dont think that the guy who makes the draft classes has enough variety in the players we can draft. there just seems to be too many smaller players at certian positions. Too many TEs less than 250lbs to many LBS under the same weight and too many OL around 290. There are no OL in the 340+ range.

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                      • Imaking332
                        Rookie
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 145

                        #12
                        Re: For those who use a 3-4 defense

                        There is this player
                        Spoiler
                        was a 6-3 285 OLB in NFL Head Coach. Then when they brought him over to madden they made him 6-1 245, not realistic size for a 3-4 OLB unless your name is James Harrison.

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                        • Saber
                          MVP
                          • May 2004
                          • 2028

                          #13
                          Re: For those who use a 3-4 defense

                          Originally posted by Imaking332
                          There is this player
                          Spoiler
                          was a 6-3 285 OLB in NFL Head Coach. Then when they brought him over to madden they made him 6-1 245, not realistic size for a 3-4 OLB unless your name is James Harrison.
                          Or Elvis Dumervil (5'11 248), or Curtis Johnson (6'3 237), or Steve Octavien (6'0 246) but I personally prefer a big guy...

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                          • Unforgiven
                            Pro
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 805

                            #14
                            Re: For those who use a 3-4 defense

                            I would just convert your MLB's to OLB if you want bigger OLB's.

                            There are usually some good 250 lb MLB's in the drafts, and more often than not their rating goes up if you convert them to an OLB.
                            RIP Sean Taylor. Still my idol!

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                            • Steeler99
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 1655

                              #15
                              Re: For those who use a 3-4 defense

                              Not sure if this is workable with the playbooks available in Madden, but how about running a sort of hybrid 3-4 by using a base 4-3 formation, while maintaining the 3-4's aggressiveness?

                              Put two "big" DT's in the middle as run-stuffers, with two "smaller/speedy" DE's on the end to rush the QB and occasionally drop back into zone coverage ... then mix in two bigger than average LB's on the outside to mix it up with outside pass blitzes. Then add a traditional MLB in the middle to help with the run, and occasionally blitz the QB?

                              My thought is since it's much easier to transition a LB to DE in Madden (with noticeable rating increases), this may provide a stronger pass rush, while still providing a more than adequate run defense?

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