The $64k question: Can editing the CPU playbooks save the CPU's offense?

[ehh]

We all know the issue with the CPU's offense: if any player gets the ball within ten feet of the hoop they are taking a shot no matter the circumstances. Probably the worst is the block to block screen where the PF comes over and takes the 10' jumper, seems like some teams run that play a third of their possessions - obviously it's annoying. Double teaming doesn't stop it, playing a zone doesn't stop it, adjusting pressure to tight doesn't stop it - obviously it's built into the engine that the CPU must shoot the ball if they have it within 10' of the hoop. As a result less 3PA attempts are seen by the CPU because the ball doesn't get worked inside-out.

I'm not holding my breath for a patch (in general, I don't think there will be one) that's going to fix this issue. The patch in Live didn't fix it, no reason think NCAA will be fixed.

Editing the CPU playbooks in 2K8 is THE biggest reason that game is still so fun, it feels like you're playing a human. If it wasn't for those edits then 2K8 would be retired from my PS3. Can we have the same success with NCAA 10?

The first thing I'm going to do is try to eliminate the plays that have the block to block screen as one of the first three options - unless a team has a go-to PF. I have played teams, such as Michigan, that jack up threes and don't go inside as much. Naturally those teams are more fun to play against because the offense is more diverse. They look inside less often so we don't see the "CPU must shoot" problem as frequently. Plus "balanced" playbook teams could use more 3PA in general from what I've seen.

If anyone else wants to do some testing please post your results in here, hopefully we can get the CPU playing better offensively.

[DirtyJerz32]

Re: The $64k question: Can editing the CPU playbooks save the CPU's offense?

I was thinking the same thing. I wish that were able to edit the teams play books.

[ehh]

Re: The $64k question: Can editing the CPU playbooks save the CPU's offense?

I wish that were able to edit the teams play books.

We are.

[WOWBOX]

Re: The $64k question: Can editing the CPU playbooks save the CPU's offense?

This is of great annoyance to me as well, any sort of progress on this would be a great leap forward in making more enjoyable gameplay.

As it stands, the CPU offense is completely dysfunctional. Has anyone noticed how easy it is to steal the ball from the PG that dribbles near the three-point line for 20 seconds before any ball movement commences?

[DirtyJerz32]

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We are.

Really? I was messing around last night with the playbooks and it wouldn't let me change anyones default plays. It only let me change mine that were on my profile.

[Vechi8]

Re: The $64k question: Can editing the CPU playbooks save the CPU's offense?

ehh,

I adjusted the ai slider close shots to 25, I wanted to see if missed shots by them would encourage more outside attempts. Maybe a little difference but not enough. I agree that sliders might not get it down so your idea on playbooks sounds great - I'll try anything at this point

[poster]

Re: The $64k question: Can editing the CPU playbooks save the CPU's offense?

I didn't know we could do this either, so I will check this out tonight when I get some time. Ehh, do you think it is just ten feet and in? I have seen players post from further out that will shoot automatically as well. Could be wrong though, seems as if they get the ball in a post position they will chuck it up with the fade away or quick spin and shoot. Is this in Live as well?

Even if this worked there would have to be a patch as I don't know if I could continue to play with his fatal flaw. Such a damn shame as offenses are run so beautifully in this game. Here's to hoping....

[ehh]

Re: The $64k question: Can editing the CPU playbooks save the CPU's offense?

Really? I was messing around last night with the playbooks and it wouldn't let me change anyones default plays. It only let me change mine that were on my profile.

This is really weird, I just booted the game up and can't do it right now, I swear I could do it this morning. I changed UConn's and DePaul's entire playbook. There's gotta be something to trigger to unlock it. I can't even edit UConn's playbook right now which is what my profile is attached to. WTF?

[ehh]

Re: The $64k question: Can editing the CPU playbooks save the CPU's offense?

If anyone wants to help me, try making this custom playbook and give it to the CPU.

PLAYS

25 Low Guard 1
Box 52
Pinch Action
Strong Guard 1
Swing Pin
Zone Base
5 Out Guard 1
Flex Base Guard 1

MOTION

DDM
Flex
2 Low
Triangle



I just played a 10 minute half against Cal using this as their playbook and things were much better in terms of the number of plays they ran going to a guy cutting across the lane for that short jumper. Guys obviously still shoot too often in the paint but I got at least one pass out of the block. Cal shot quite a few threes and had guys driving, I think the key is just eliminating Motions and plays that have an early post touch.

[DirtyJerz32]

Re: The $64k question: Can editing the CPU playbooks save the CPU's offense?

If anyone wants to help me, try making this custom playbook and give it to the CPU.


Cal shot quite a few threes and had guys driving, I think the key is just eliminating Motions and plays that have an early post touch.

I'd love to help but, I'm at work.

I think you're def right about that. Any plays that go into the post early are alway a shot from there. I'm gonna look into that more.

[Vechi8]

Re: The $64k question: Can editing the CPU playbooks save the CPU's offense?

firing up now, i will update shortly

[ehh]

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Let me know how it goes, Vechi.

I played the first 30 minutes of UConn/UL on my attempt at making All-American sliders, it pretty damn good with UL using the custom playbook above. In 30 minutes I only saw three annoying "cut across the lane, catch, shoot jumper from just off the block" sequence. UL took a lot 3's as well. The playbooks will definitely take some tweaking based on the team you're playing and their personnel, that or I should add back one of the quick hitters on the block so guys like Samardo Samuels will get more touches. UL was a tad too perimeter oriented but that's a good thing for testing purposes, at least we know we can control the CPU drastically in either direction (perimeter or post).

I was trailing 47-44 when I had to quit, AA seems to be a a bit more playable with some of the roster editing I'm doing, mainly drastically reducing the speed and quickness of big men to open up the lane a little bit. Getting too much contact still but also seeing a good amount of clean layups and a few dunks in the half court set. I also switched to Overhead cam so I could see angles a litlte better. It was the first time I actually finished a 20 minute half on AA, so I guess it's progress.

[DIESEL]

Re: The $64k question: Can editing the CPU playbooks save the CPU's offense?

We all know the issue with the CPU's offense: if any player gets the ball within ten feet of the hoop they are taking a shot no matter the circumstances.

I'm not holding my breath for a patch (in general, I don't think there will be one) that's going to fix this issue. The patch in Live didn't fix it, no reason think NCAA will be fixed.

I never played the retail version of Live. Was the problem as bad as it is in this game?

[russell80220]

Re: The $64k question: Can editing the CPU playbooks save the CPU's offense?

Is it possible to use the custom playbook for the opponent in legacy mode? I couldn't figure out how to change them off of default for the other team. I tried using a second controller but it wouldn't let me select the other team so that I could set their playbook.

[ehh]

Re: The $64k question: Can editing the CPU playbooks save the CPU's offense?

^ At the start of the game does it let you chose the opposing team instead of your team?

If it doesn't then I might as well stop messing with the playbooks, no point.