I know we all hope that by showing our apperciation of the game here at OS and sending supportive e-mails to the company that we can somehow convince 2K Sports to make another football game. But, I think that in our hearts we know that's not going to happen. First, the general public has shown that it is not interested in a genaric football game. No NFL license, no mass sales. Second, 2K would now have to spend considerable time and money updating All Pro to current standards as the game engine is over 2 years old. Given the current state of 2K Sports this will not happen. My New Years wish is that 2K would offer to sell a license of the All Pro game engine to an independant developer. Then, hopefully a developer whould come forward who's vision is to make a genaric, but very modifiable, game that true football geeks, like us, would embrace. Believe me. I"m so tired of spending $ 60 on incomplete games that I would be happy to spend twice that for a game that combined All Pro's on field gameplay with the GM and management functions of games like Head Coach, Front Office Football or Football Manager. Make it fully modifiable (rosters, uniforms, league size ... everything) including a complete, well thought out play designer and it would be the best $$$ I've ever spent. Now, port it to the PC where there is a huge void yet active support for a game like this and I think it would be very successful.
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And let me convince random rich guy to to buy me a porche. This is not going to happen. There is a .00000000001 percent chance of something like this happening.
This is just so out there, that i dont see it. One thing i do see is, that with the possibility of the NHL2K getting canned that they will use that money and put it into football. Heck, 300 Apf copies sold and its an unlicensed game. I think if they go fully customizable and use 2K share, they can pull way more money from the consumers then what a hockey game can do. Hockey doesnt have a big fan base. Football has a huge one.
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I'm still amazed that the boards think there is a "huge void" or big crowd for a "sim" game.
Everyone that I've personally talked to loves Madden.
The sim crowd is a small one. Vocal minority.badComment
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Last year, i bought Madden 09 (why i dont know, but i did) My nephew (he was 10 at the time) put it in to play, he played a game then asks me, where is that other football game you play, its better. lol I was like, but this has your favorite team and players, he goes, the other game is more fun. lol True story.
My point was, that when you play 1 game over the other and you see how good 1 of the games actually is, you get sad.Comment
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This response verifies a main point of my original post. Today's mainstream players, especially those who grew up playing football on gaming consoles, are fine with the current crop of games. I'm sure they'd prefer the games to be more flexible and produce realistic stats but they're OK with the new Madden. The major game companies know this. To their credit they've tried to please the sim crowd (Head Coach, ALL Pro) but these games don't generate enough sales. The sim crowd is small, by comparison. The AllPro game engine will soon be outdated, by current standards. Given this 2K Sports will not bring out another football game as major money would need to be allocated for 2k8 to challenge Madden on it's own terms. Yet, as a basis for a sim style game, where graphics are secondary to game play, it's still got legs. That's why we need a smaller developer to take an interest in us. Someone who doesn't need to sell 500,000 unit to make a profit. Maybe 2K Sports could realize some $$$ from AllPro by licensing it's existing technology. A small developer could then take advantage of technology it otherwise couldn't afford. I know, this is just a dream. Well then wake up everyone. In reality, we need to realize that discussing anything but strategy and tactics for the game we have now is a waste of time and energy. What we have is all we've got and the last one we'll get from 2K Sports anytime soon.Comment
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I second that. I've stopped playing football games completely. EA got my money one time since 2003. I bought Madden 10 thinking that EA might actually have made something worth playing. I sold it 3 days later for 50 bucks. I'd rather play Tecmo Bowl than Madden. At least the blocking is actually realistic and I don't see my line running around in circles.Comment
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i will 3rd it. I am 33 and i played football gaming since the beginning. I bought 09 and that was a mistake, didnt buy it this year. I am waiting for some company to show up and make a decent football sim.
I still stand by 2K dropping NHL and making a football game. I think its coming.Comment
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Hey everyone. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone here with my mainstream gamer comments. You see, it's just that I don't consider anyone that plays and appreciates All Pro 2K8 to be "mainstream". Like everyone here I have a passion for football games and am just tired of being continuely disapointed. I have played football games, in one form or another, since 1963. I purchased my first PC just to play a football game (NFL Challenge by XOR) and with three sons into football gaming I've bought more games, on more platforms, than even I want to admit. I had imagined that by 2010 we'd be in football gaming heaven but sadly that's not the case. Madden 10 is a very good, but flawed game. All Pro was a very good, but incomplete and under supported game. All I was saying in my post was that I wished someone would pick up the game that 2K fumbled away and head for the end zone. That said, I think we can all agree on some key points. First, we all appreciate what 2K sports was able to accomplish with it's football franchise, especially 2K4, 2K5 and All Pro and that we wish they would continue making football games. Even if they could only use fictional teams and players. That All Pro was a a ground breaking game that was inexcusably limited in scope and left to wither and die. And last, that we all wish someone would "get it" and take the time to make, and then support, a complete game for football enthusiest like us.Comment
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I don't think this would be as a simple as just selling an in-house engine. It's not like a Natural Motion situation. Like EA, 2K uses various systems that make up their "engine". I know for a fact that for the 2K10 games 2K had been using Moven. EA uses Moven as well and used it in Madden 10.
What it comes down to is how you use a system and not always the system itself. EA has a different style and approach than 2K. I have likes and dislikes of both.
If 2K were to make another football game, which I'm highly skeptical of, and for the game to be what we want it to be they'd have to assemble the original team. Thing is, most (like 98% or greater) of the original 2K5 team worked on APF. That's why a lot of the concept design decisions left me scratching my head... they were so brilliant before APF, and then they started to do loopy stuff. Why they decided to ignore legitimizing the league is one that I'll never understand but one that I'm sure they regret now... just the overall structure and image of it was so unbelievably bad that had I never seen it and someone was telling me about it, I would've called that person a liar.
If they aren't going to either legitimze the image of the league and game, or give true full customization (loading in logos, a sensible uniform code trading system, etc.), then I say to 2K: don't bother. I don't need a franchise mode because I'm not a franchise guy, but I do need what I'm playing to feel believeable and I certainly don't need to have my eyes disgraced by default uniforms that look like they were created by Kindergartners who of course have no concept of color coordination.Comment
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