All-Star v1.03 sliders - getting great variation so far

[Juiceman612]

edit - should have mentioned in thread title, these sliders play out well only for manual passing.

edit 2-3-10: sliders not looking good with today's revised 1.03 tuner. Back to the drawing board...

I've logged about a dozen games with these sliders. I really am getting great games. The CPU powerplay is tough, but I recently had a game where they went 0/5. Another game 4/4. When they went 0/5 I had to really play defense carefully. Very very minimal tick-tack (CPU boost) passing. Only happens rarely. Scoring has been really varied. Brodeur and Luongo and the like are not super-human. Fatigue really plays a part and you have to be smart with line changes too. Overall, I'm set on 1.03 (which I hated at first) and probably won't tweak these, but time will tell. I feel like 12 games is a nice sample size though. All have been extremely enjoyable games. The goals I score feel great and the goals I give up don't make me frustrated as they seem realistic. I max attribute effects and maybe it's luck, but players are playing like I would expect them to if I were really watching a game.

Someone asked for my sliders, here they are. I'll post a thread in the sliders forum as well.

5 min periods
penalties 3
post whistle authentic
penalty scaling maxed
fighting 1 or 2 doesn't matter

all-star
tuner latest
cpu aid hardcore
game speed 1
attribute effects maxed (stars shine and I like that - seems realistic)
fatigue effect 5/6
fatigue rec 1/1
injury 3/3
puck control 2/2 (increase hum one click if having trouble)
Acceleration 0/0 (1/0 or 1/1 works well too)

AI learning maxed
cpu diff zero
facoff diff maxed
fight diff 5
cpu penalties 5
cpu teammate penatlies maxed

pass assist n/a (off)
manual pass on
pass speed 2
saucer pass maxed
pass accuracy 4/2 (4 for human is key for v1.03 imo)
pass int 4/4

shot acc 1/1
shot power 4/4
slap acc 2/2
slap power 3/3
one timer 1/1

hit diff maxed
aggression maxed
hit power 0/0
stick lift 2/2
poke eff 3/3

goalie pass 1
cover puck 5
screen maxed
reaction 5/2 (5 is key to combat crazy CPU powerplay on 1.03)

I'm getting good games with 1.03 on all-star in my BAGM. Still outshooting CPU, but I am shot happy and I really think once I got the right pass accuracy I'm getting great results. game speed on 1 is hard for me to enjoy as it feels so slow, but it definitely plays out accurately. It's hard to score goals, but not impossible. I have been getting very realistic fight-in-the-crease goals. I'm sort of up in the air about which I like better 1.01 or 1.03. I'd be curious to know if anyone else enjoys these sliders.

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[ZenoMehas]

Re: All-Star v1.03 sliders - getting great variation so far

checked these out. After only one game I fell in love. 4-2 chicago vs. florida. chicago-38 shots florida-28 shots. I actually changed the time from 5 min periods to 8 min periods. Worked nicely. chicago-2/5 PP florida-0/3 PP. Great game overall. I did notice however there 3 co-minors that happened after the whistle but everything else was like a real game. Great job with these dude.

[SakicFTW]

Re: All-Star v1.03 sliders - getting great variation so far

checked these out. After only one game I fell in love. 4-2 chicago vs. florida. chicago-38 shots florida-28 shots. I actually changed the time from 5 min periods to 8 min periods. Worked nicely. chicago-2/5 PP florida-0/3 PP. Great game overall. I did notice however there 3 co-minors that happened after the whistle but everything else was like a real game. Great job with these dude.

To changed the post whistle co-minors as you call it. Just change the after whistle to relaxed instead of authentic.

[RoyalBoyle78]

Re: All-Star v1.03 sliders - getting great variation so far

edit - should have mentioned in thread title, these sliders play out well only for manual passing.

I've logged about a dozen games with these sliders. I really am getting great games. The CPU powerplay is tough, but I recently had a game where they went 0/5. Another game 4/4. When they went 0/5 I had to really play defense carefully. Very very minimal tick-tack (CPU boost) passing. Only happens rarely. Scoring has been really varied. Brodeur and Luongo and the like are not super-human. Fatigue really plays a part and you have to be smart with line changes too. Overall, I'm set on 1.03 (which I hated at first) and probably won't tweak these, but time will tell. I feel like 12 games is a nice sample size though. All have been extremely enjoyable games. The goals I score feel great and the goals I give up don't make me frustrated as they seem realistic. I max attribute effects and maybe it's luck, but players are playing like I would expect them to if I were really watching a game.



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I also post as "Juiceman" (less the 612) to avoid any confusion...eh, not that anyone cares!

5 min, I can't image you getting good shot stats on 5 minutes?

[Juiceman]

Re: All-Star v1.03 sliders - getting great variation so far

5 min, I can't image you getting good shot stats on 5 minutes?

Well, define good. I think they're awesome.

I'm going for accurate gameplay (somewhat concerned about stats, but more with gameplay) in what I think would mimick a shorter NHL game. Shots are usually pretty close in qty by the end of the game. I have had games where I totally outshoot the CPU, I can't lie about that, but overall that happened twice in the 12 games I played so far w these sliders. Time of possession has been excellent.

And to the other poster - yeah, relaxed will fix the coincidental minors. I go back and forth between authentic and relaxed. Still kind of undecided on that.

[RoyalBoyle78]

Re: All-Star v1.03 sliders - getting great variation so far

Well, define good. I think they're awesome.

I'm going for accurate gameplay (somewhat concerned about stats, but more with gameplay) in what I think would mimick a shorter NHL game. Shots are usually pretty close in qty by the end of the game. I have had games where I totally outshoot the CPU, I can't lie about that, but overall that happened twice in the 12 games I played so far w these sliders. Time of possession has been excellent.

And to the other poster - yeah, relaxed will fix the coincidental minors. I go back and forth between authentic and relaxed. Still kind of undecided on that.

no, thats why I'm asking, what have your shot totals been?

[Juiceman]

Re: All-Star v1.03 sliders - getting great variation so far

no, thats why I'm asking, what have your shot totals been?

It honestly depends on the matchup. I've had 14-12 (hu-cpu), I've had 28-10. I've also had 14-21 and CPU as low as 9 in one other game. Because of the matchups and the variation you get in this game regardless of sliders, the shots vary game-to-game by quite a bit.

[Juiceman]

Re: All-Star v1.03 sliders - getting great variation so far

checked these out. After only one game I fell in love. 4-2 chicago vs. florida. chicago-38 shots florida-28 shots. I actually changed the time from 5 min periods to 8 min periods. Worked nicely. chicago-2/5 PP florida-0/3 PP. Great game overall. I did notice however there 3 co-minors that happened after the whistle but everything else was like a real game. Great job with these dude.

Great man. I'm glad you like them. Let me know if you get any bad results- weak goals, cheap cpu defense, etc. I did try one 7 minute period game and results were still good. I just play 5 min because I don't have a ton of free time to play the longer period games.

[BleacherCreature]

Re: All-Star v1.03 sliders - getting great variation so far

attribute effects maxed (stars shine and I like that - seems realistic)

This was an interesting find. I have been struggling to score goals lately since the tuner update so I decided to try this.
Made a huge difference. Iginla had 2 goals, an assist and was a +5 in a 5-1 win over Edmonton.
There were more breakaways than I can remember seeing too.
I also notice the defensive strategies seemed to have more meaning. I had a 3-1 lead with about 9 minutes left and switched to a trap style forecheck. In the past doing this seemed to do nothing, but this time my players actually stood up at the blueline and didn't allow anything. Edmonton then got a bit aggressive and started sending everyone on the attack which led to one breakaway goal.
The game also seemed faster, but in a better way. I prefer game speed at 1 and this setting seemed to make it about a 1.5, not as slow as 1 (even though I don't find 1 that slow) and not as hectic as 2.
Stats I can remember were:
EDM-1, CGY(me)-5
EDM-29 shots, CGY-24 shots
EDM-17 hits, CGY-12 hits
EDM-1/5 PP, CGY 0-6
EDM-23 Faceoffs, CGY-19

[Juiceman]

Re: All-Star v1.03 sliders - getting great variation so far

This was an interesting find. I have been struggling to score goals lately since the tuner update so I decided to try this.
Made a huge difference. Iginla had 2 goals, an assist and was a +5 in a 5-1 win over Edmonton.
There were more breakaways than I can remember seeing too.
I also notice the defensive strategies seemed to have more meaning. I had a 3-1 lead with about 9 minutes left and switched to a trap style forecheck. In the past doing this seemed to do nothing, but this time my players actually stood up at the blueline and didn't allow anything. Edmonton then got a bit aggressive and started sending everyone on the attack which led to one breakaway goal.
The game also seemed faster, but in a better way. I prefer game speed at 1 and this setting seemed to make it about a 1.5, not as slow as 1 (even though I don't find 1 that slow) and not as hectic as 2.
Stats I can remember were:
EDM-1, CGY(me)-5
EDM-29 shots, CGY-24 shots
EDM-17 hits, CGY-12 hits
EDM-1/5 PP, CGY 0-6
EDM-23 Faceoffs, CGY-19

Yeah, I really think attributes maxed are what loosened up the scoring for me on 1.03. I was having a really tough time scoring on basically open nets. For whatever reason maxed attributes and manual passing have loosened up the game for me.

I also agree that it feels not quite 2 for game speed. You can get screwed pretty bad if you don't keep your line changes fresh. Big difference if you can get a scoring line out against a tired CPU line.

I also have found that breakouts are more useful - I switch to 'defend lead' sometimes in a close game and it helps on the back check and keeps pressure longer in the defensive end.

On penalty kills I now switch use passive box and diamond in addition to large box which is what I used to use all the time. Now depending on the type of team I play I have to switch it up. Diamond works great to cause some distraction at the top of the slot.

And finally, yes, I've definitely noticed breakaway chances. And in each instance on either side of the puck it's been a player who I'd expect to have a breakaway.

[QB1]

Re: All-Star v1.03 sliders - getting great variation so far

Had a real easy time with these settings. Played 5 games with these and won every one without any real challenge from the CPU. In my last game I beat Pitt using the Lightning by a score of 8 - 2. I domintaed the entire game as the CPU didn't generate any kind of pressure at all.

Not realistic at all.

[Juiceman612]

Re: All-Star v1.03 sliders - getting great variation so far

Had a real easy time with these settings. Played 5 games with these and won every one without any real challenge from the CPU. In my last game I beat Pitt using the Lightning by a score of 8 - 2. I domintaed the entire game as the CPU didn't generate any kind of pressure at all.

Not realistic at all.

Did you use manual passing? If you didn't then you'd whoop on the CPU. If you did use manual passing, well it sounds like you're a total beast and should be playing on superstar, dude.

[ZenoMehas]

Re: All-Star v1.03 sliders - getting great variation so far

I just played two more games with these sliders...I play on 8 min quarters though. I'm Chicago, First game, OTL in shootout against florida then I go into Detroit and lose in regulation after zetterberg gets open for a breakaway with 1:30 on the clock. 1-1-1 after 3 games with these sliders. averaging 33 shots a game with the hawks and 27 against (pretty realistic). usually both teams are between 5-8 min on the attack and PP goals seem realistic, although I do admit to play stifling defense when the CPU is on the PP. I go with a tight point setup and I'm usually chasing the puck with fraser. Have only allowed 2 PP goals in three games for an overall of 2/11 PP. Overall though completely realistic and the stars really try to take over the game if it's close at the end. I did notice that my lines are extremely tired on the PP for some reason and my defense wears throughout the game. I'm still testing these but overall so far so good.

[Juiceman]

Re: All-Star v1.03 sliders - getting great variation so far

I did notice that my lines are extremely tired on the PP for some reason and my defense wears throughout the game. I'm still testing these but overall so far so good.

I can only speculate but I would guess you're taking too long of shifts. You really have to take short shifts - which to me at least is realistic and what I want. You could try raising fatigue recovery, but I'm not sure how that will turn out. I'd raise both sides equally if you do decide to do that. Or one thing I do if lines are really tired is put line 4 out and get in a fight! That replenishes some stamina.

The powerplay thing is interesting. I hope that the CPU becomes a little more dominant. They probably average about 30% against me, but in a couple cases I've shut them down completely. Part of it is me playing better defense and staying in position. But that would suck if it turns out to be total shutdown penalty kill all the time. I'm not sure how we'd fix that issue without changing the entire gameplay result, you know what I mean?

[Juiceman612]

Re: All-Star v1.03 sliders - getting great variation so far

Well, back to the drawing board. With the newly revised 1.03 these sliders no longer work. Granted I played one game but it was so lopsided that I am pretty sure I need to rework the sliders. Back to the lab to test I suppose!