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  • haloofduty
    Pro
    • Aug 2008
    • 861

    #1

    Association is Ruined

    Association is ruined because of the big men 3point glitch. Now I know 2k said you can turn player roles off but that just adds to the problem. The problem is when you turn player roles off generated rookies get no minutes everrrrrrrr. Reason being is when player roles are turned off the computer does not adjust player roles. Let me explain when you edit a player he is still labeled a starter, sixth, role player ect.

    Now when the computer drafts a generated rookie he is a prospect. Now since player roles are off the computer does not adjust them. That means that generated rookies will stay prospects forever getting no minutes. I simulated a lot of seasons and rookies don't get minutes until a lot of players retire. The only way around this is to control all 30 teams but that's flawed also. I tried it and when I got to the off season the only option I had was to auto advance. Now I had all teams on auto to do everything except one which was my team. The only option I got in the off season was to auto advance. That means I could not resign my own players or draft ect. I thought if you had one team all options off you could still control that team freely but you can't. If you choose to skip pass teams it will skip pass yours. The only option to control your own team when controlling all 30 is to do everything yourself for all 30 teams.

    Turning player roles off is not a fix. It just creates another problem. I know many people have not noticed this because they basically play all their games in association mode but I sim and found this problem. Who wants to play a association mode where after the first year rookies get no minutes?. If you want rookies to get minutes who wants to play a association mode when big men are throwing up three's. There needs to be a fix for this. No one seems to know about this glitch when you turn player roles off.

    Did I miss something and 2K said they are working on it? I will state it one more time. When you turn player roles off generated rookies get no minutes because the computed does not adjust their role. When you turn player roles off they still have a role in the edit screen and generated rookies roles are prospects. I even tried creating draft classes and making sure the top rookies were set at starters. When I started association nothing changed. The computer drafts them as prospects and they stay prospects.

    I hope 2k is not just going to ignore this. There are still a lot of months till the next 2k and I at least would like a playable association till then. If anybody has any info if 2k is working on it please let me know. Thanks
    Last edited by haloofduty; 02-22-2010, 05:25 PM.
  • rspencer86
    MIB Crew
    • Sep 2004
    • 8807

    #2
    Re: Association is Ruined

    2K is not working on it. Ronnie has state there will be no new patches for 2K10 and suggested to find workarounds for this.

    Controlling all 30 teams is probably the best way to go for anyone wanting to circumvent all of the glitches that Patch 2 caused. If you don't want to do that then turning off Player Roles, CPU Trades and Team Chemistry is the way to go. When I simmed two seasons with these three things off and using downloaded draft classes I had three rookies averaging over 30+ MPG and several more averaging 20+. Plus there is enough player movement in offseason FA to make up for no trades during the year.
    Ryan Spencer

    University of Missouri '09
    Twitter: @RyanASpencer

    Royals / Chiefs / Kings / Mizzou / Sporting KC


    PSN: MizzouTigerrr
    XBox: MizzouRhino

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    • RayAllen20
      MVP
      • Jun 2009
      • 1825

      #3
      Re: Association is Ruined

      I deleted the patch, and have gone back to the original. I haven't noticed any bugs really with it. Plus with it, I get player roles working with morale, which helps me when trading. I control all 30 teams, and found some sliders that really help the defense. I'm really having a blast, you should try it because I could not deal with the 2nd patch.
      I will always, always be a Jets fan. But trust me it hurts.

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      • whizer17
        Rookie
        • Jun 2008
        • 204

        #4
        Re: Association is Ruined

        Just curious to see what you guys think.

        I sold my copy of 2k10 back in '09 after the first patch but before the 2nd patch (I am not counting the one that came out on launch). Now that the all star break and trade deadline is over with I am thinking of picking it up again. If I do so, the game would still be working under the 1st patch and so would you suggest I stay with it or would you say to just dl the new one and turn off the stuff as mentioned earlier.

        I will only be playing offline association.

        Thanks

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        • rspencer86
          MIB Crew
          • Sep 2004
          • 8807

          #5
          Re: Association is Ruined

          Originally posted by whizer17
          Just curious to see what you guys think.

          I sold my copy of 2k10 back in '09 after the first patch but before the 2nd patch (I am not counting the one that came out on launch). Now that the all star break and trade deadline is over with I am thinking of picking it up again. If I do so, the game would still be working under the 1st patch and so would you suggest I stay with it or would you say to just dl the new one and turn off the stuff as mentioned earlier.

          I will only be playing offline association.

          Thanks
          It's up to you. Personally, I like being able to play an online game every once in a while, and I'm fine with turning off all that stuff to avoid the bugs, plus the defensive improvements in Patch 2 are very good. You might not care about online at all and really like having to account for player roles and chemistry and things like that, I don't know.

          Either way, once you get around the problems it is a very fun game.
          Ryan Spencer

          University of Missouri '09
          Twitter: @RyanASpencer

          Royals / Chiefs / Kings / Mizzou / Sporting KC


          PSN: MizzouTigerrr
          XBox: MizzouRhino

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          • DonkeyJote
            All Star
            • Jul 2003
            • 9206

            #6
            Re: Association is Ruined

            I'm gonna be honest, maybe it's just the sliders I've been using, but big men don't really try 3's on me. They normally stay closer to the post.

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            • Pitfighter87
              Pro
              • Nov 2009
              • 803

              #7
              Re: Association is Ruined

              Originally posted by DonkeyJote
              I'm gonna be honest, maybe it's just the sliders I've been using, but big men don't really try 3's on me. They normally stay closer to the post.
              Yeah same here.I LOVE association. Some people are way to pickey with games now days. This is my fav sports game ever. Im really enjoying the way 2k has built this game. You say Ruined i say Perfected bball games

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              • jeebs9
                Fear is the Unknown
                • Oct 2008
                • 47568

                #8
                Re: Association is Ruined

                I don't play association....But I started to the other week just to see this whole big men shooting thing.....It is not that big of deal.
                Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

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                • Serra11
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 1127

                  #9
                  Re: Association is Ruined

                  Originally posted by DonkeyJote
                  I'm gonna be honest, maybe it's just the sliders I've been using, but big men don't really try 3's on me. They normally stay closer to the post.
                  What do you think is the key of your sliders????
                  Boots..........To ASSES!!!!!!

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                  • jlneste
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 135

                    #10
                    Re: Association is Ruined

                    Originally posted by Serra11
                    What do you think is the key of your sliders????
                    The issue of big men shooting threes has more to do with the simulated stats, than the actual gameplay. I play every game of my association and I see one or two big men launch a three a game, but if you look at the league stats you see Shaq attempt near 100 threes in a year.

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                    • whizer17
                      Rookie
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 204

                      #11
                      Re: Association is Ruined

                      Originally posted by jlneste
                      The issue of big men shooting threes has more to do with the simulated stats, than the actual gameplay. I play every game of my association and I see one or two big men launch a three a game, but if you look at the league stats you see Shaq attempt near 100 threes in a year.
                      Is that really the only issue? Its a sim thing for attempts? I plan on playing a shortened season in which I play every game. Doesn't sound like this would be an issue for me at all. I just didn't want a Shaq to shoot like 5 threes a game and make them on me.

                      So if I decide to dl the patch, get updated rosters and such, and decide to not turn off anything, will the game play a solid game of bball like it did before? Will the rookies get their minutes? Or should I just turn off the stuff to be safe?

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                      • JBH3
                        Marvel's Finest
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 13506

                        #12
                        Re: Association is Ruined

                        I've decided to just deal w/ the simulated stats issue. The 2nd patch helps out a lot of gameplay aspects that, IMO, negates the need to find a workaround for the 3pt sim stats.

                        If you're turning of player roles in association due to 3pt stats, I question your logic on why you'd want to do that.

                        Player roles are more important to association, glitch or no glitch.

                        I think back to the sim stat issues in previous 2K b-ball titles...

                        How rebounds and scoring were way low etc. Given the meat and potatoes of stats are tracked and accounted for better than in years past I'm not going to hammer them for the big-man 3pt sim stat issue.
                        Originally posted by Edmund Burke
                        All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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                        • rspencer86
                          MIB Crew
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 8807

                          #13
                          Re: Association is Ruined

                          Originally posted by JBH3
                          Given the meat and potatoes of stats are tracked and accounted for better than in years past I'm not going to hammer them for the big-man 3pt sim stat issue.
                          The fact that stat tracking is done far better this year is one of the reasons I chose to turn off player roles to avoid the 3pt glitch. Part of the fun in association is checking out stats to see how players progress and finish thier careers. Does Kobe eclipse MJ in points? Does Dwight Howard develop into one of the better big men in history? In the case of Dwight, his numbers would be tainted by him jacking up 100+ 3s a season.

                          Player roles don't do anything for me. The fact that dudes complain about minutes after being injured for several weeks or guys complaining even though they play 40+ MPG is ridiculous and makes the option do more harm than good. By controlling 30 teams I can make smart decisions for each team myself rather than players being pissed off for no good reason and having thier ratings and stats be negatively affected.
                          Ryan Spencer

                          University of Missouri '09
                          Twitter: @RyanASpencer

                          Royals / Chiefs / Kings / Mizzou / Sporting KC


                          PSN: MizzouTigerrr
                          XBox: MizzouRhino

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                          • JBH3
                            Marvel's Finest
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 13506

                            #14
                            Re: Association is Ruined

                            Originally posted by rspencer86
                            The fact that stat tracking is done far better this year is one of the reasons I chose to turn off player roles to avoid the 3pt glitch. Part of the fun in association is checking out stats to see how players progress and finish thier careers. Does Kobe eclipse MJ in points? Does Dwight Howard develop into one of the better big men in history? In the case of Dwight, his numbers would be tainted by him jacking up 100+ 3s a season.

                            Player roles don't do anything for me. The fact that dudes complain about minutes after being injured for several weeks or guys complaining even though they play 40+ MPG is ridiculous and makes the option do more harm than good. By controlling 30 teams I can make smart decisions for each team myself rather than players being pissed off for no good reason and having thier ratings and stats be negatively affected.
                            Across the NBA landscape players are upset over a multitude of things all the time.

                            There's only but so much at 2Ks disposal to simulate in a video game, be it contract, minutes, or role....

                            But the dynamic of this having an affect on player ratings, and thus having a chance to drastically effect the games you play and their outcome speak more to the grand scheme of things than 3pt shooting attempts; which for any player require you to scroll over far to the right on their player card, and for big men all the stats most pertaining to their position is before the 3pt numbers. Thus, out of sight, out of mind.
                            Originally posted by Edmund Burke
                            All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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                            • Rocboyz101
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 1550

                              #15
                              Re: Association is Ruined

                              It really throws off the game when it happens. makes me want to stop playing.
                              "I'm so far ahead of my time, I'm bout to start another life
                              Look behind you, I'm bout to pass you twice
                              Back to the future and gotta slow up for the present
                              I'm fast, dudes can't get past my past
                              How they supposed to deal with my perfect present?"

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