Expectations...

[t11]

Most likely... yours are way too high!

This is a first time game. No base to build on, nothing. Everything coded from scratch (well thats not completely true, have to say that or the CS guys will come screaming lol). Don't expect it to be the "Ushering in of a new era" or "Madden Killer"

Most importantly, don't expect this game to be everything you've ever wanted in a football game. I see that attitude at both forums, and all who have this attitude are "unimpressed."

This game looks great for a first attempt at the sport. So please try to look at it that way. As a first attempt.

[hatisback]

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Most likely... yours are way too high!

This is a first time game. No base to build on, nothing. Everything coded from scratch (well thats not completely true, have to say that or the CS guys will come screaming lol). Don't expect it to be the "Ushering in of a new era" or "Madden Killer"

Most importantly, don't expect this game to be everything you've ever wanted in a football game. I see that attitude at both forums, and all who have this attitude are "unimpressed."

This game looks great for a first attempt at the sport. So please try to look at it that way. As a first attempt.

Good point. But the way I think of it is this.....

1) Real life physics beats canned animations anyday.

2) No injuries are no big problem for me since injuries are pretty much gone in Madden (at least in Madden 10)

3) Possibly dumb AI in BB: Cant be any worse than Madden's super human AI.

4) No NFL License- I can create the NFL if I want.

5) Price tag- $50: Oh well, beats paying $60 for Madden.

6) Ian Cummings is someone I do not trust. He said last year it was impossible to fight for extra yards with Euphoria trying to make it like Pro-Tak was better. We all know now that it is false. And after the comments Peter Moore stated, I will not support Madden.

As long as this game is decent, I will be well satisfied. I am just hoping 2K Sports can pick this up some day, as it seems that Madden will not, since they would have to start way over and they cant with a year cycle.

[t11]

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Good point. But the way I think of it is this.....

1) Real life physics beats canned animations anyday.

2) No injuries are no big problem for me since injuries are pretty much gone in Madden (at least in Madden 10)

3) Possibly dumb AI in BB: Cant be any worse than Madden's super human AI.

4) No NFL License- I can create the NFL if I want.

5) Price tag- $50: Oh well, beats paying $60 for Madden.

6) Ian Cummings is someone I do not trust. He said last year it was impossible to fight for extra yards with Euphoria trying to make it like Pro-Tak was better. We all know now that it is false. And after the comments Peter Moore stated, I will not support Madden.

As long as this game is decent, I will be well satisfied. I am just hoping 2K Sports can pick this up some day, as it seems that Madden will not, since they would have to start way over and they cant with a year cycle.

Your reason for 2 is not very good, but I agree with everything else (except three).

Hoping 2k will pick this up is like hoping a frog will grow wings and fly.

Ain't gonna happen.

Kinda what I mean by unrealistic expectations. Stop looking at this game as a "Madden killer" or as the future of 2k. Just think of it as Backbreaker, a new game coming out May 18.

[hatisback]

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Your reason for 2 is not very good, but I agree with everything else (except three).

Hoping 2k will pick this up is like hoping a frog will grow wings and fly.

Ain't gonna happen.

Kinda what I mean by unrealistic expectations. Stop looking at this game as a "Madden killer" or as the future of 2k. Just think of it as Backbreaker, a new game coming out May 18.

I do not look at is as a Madden Killer in any way, because unfortunately, no matter how bad the game is Madden will always be here.....unless they lose sole possession of the license to someone else.

[t11]

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I wasn't saying specifically you, sorry if it came across that way. lol. I could see your posistion based on the first post. That is the right attitude. You are not expecting perfection.

[kjcheezhead]

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I hate comparing BackBreaker to Madden, it's like apples and oranges..but:

Madden 10 at E3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XMb6KbTHRs&feature=related

Backbreaker from IGN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h-9lkqRIKU

Side by side, Backbreaker's oline isn't much stiffer than madden. Player interaction is about the same, give Madden an edge in sound, (not a big fan of the commentary tho), give Backbreaker the edge in tackle animations.

Now think about this, this is Backbreaker's first game, Madden's 5th. Backbreaker has so much potential, I can't believe people talking about passing on it without touching a controller.

[hatisback]

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I hate comparg BackBreaker to Madden, it like apples and oranges..but:

Madden 10 at E3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XMb6KbTHRs&feature=related

Backbreaker from IGN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h-9lkqRIKU

Side by side, Backbreaker's oline isn't much stiffer than madden. Player interaction is about the same, give Madden an edge in sound, (not a big fan of the commentary tho), give Backbreaker the edge in tackle animations.

Now think about this, this is Backbreaker's first game, Madden's 5th. Backbreaker has so much potential, I can't believe people talking about passing on it without touching a controller.

So true. I wonder how dumb they would feel hypothetically if Backbreaker released an injury patch? I wonder how many would go to the store and buy it up?

[SouthernBrick]

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What I expect is a fun and solid game which is all I need. If I can enjoy blitz(not solid but, fun) I can enjoy this game I'm sure.

One thing that is certain though that my expectations are high for is tackle alley. Should be very fun mode that I can't wait to play online. Might practice a bit offline for it first. Probably the first thing I'm going to play on BB.

I don't even play franchise mode so I'm definitely not worried about that. Might play online franchise but, offline that is a no no. I could care less about that mode but, I hope Its good for the people who do get a kick out of it.

[TheWatcher]

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6) Ian Cummings is someone I do not trust. He said last year it was impossible to fight for extra yards with Euphoria trying to make it like Pro-Tak was better. We all know now that it is false. And after the comments Peter Moore stated, I will not support Madden.

It's quite possible that at the time this is what Ian believed based on what he knew. At that time there are a lot of things we all thought about the game and the technology that turned out to be different. He doesn't work with NM's tech so it's just a bit unfair to expect all of his statements to be technically accurate in regards to that technology.

This was a game that also looked like vaporware then, so I could see any developer in a competing market playing up their own product. Devs at the major level do that all the time.

[Gort77]

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It's quite possible that at the time this is what Ian believed based on what he knew. At that time there are a lot of things we all thought about the game and the technology that turned out to be different. He doesn't work with NM's tech so it's just a bit unfair to expect all of his statements to be technically accurate in regards to that technology.

This was a game that also looked like vaporware then, so I could see any developer in a competing market playing up their own product. Devs at the major level do that all the time.

While i agree that Ian most likely knew very little about Euphoria at the time, he should have still done SOME research about the technology. Back when Ian talked down Euphoria i did my own research about the technology, watched demo vids from NM and everything, with just a small amount for research i found that Ian was completely wrong in his statements about what could and could not be done with Euphoria.

But back on topic; Im not expecting a madden killer, and anyone who does is fooling themselves. From everything i have seen of this game im expecting solid and DIFFERENT game play, which is all i want, something different from madden. Im tired of it and want a new take on the sport, and this is what we are getting. Hopefully the game will sell enough to warrent a second enstalment, and then NM can work on giving us better animations, better AI, and all the other bells and whistles.

[CreatineKasey]

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If I pay $50 for a game, I expect it to be good. That's all. Hell, if I spend ANY money on a game, I expect it to be good. I don't have money to just throw around. So far I like a lot of what I see out of Backbreaker. I try not to get too critical yet because sometimes something will look weird simply because it's different. That doesn't mean it's wrong.

[Valdarez]

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My expectations are low. Other than tackling, they have not shown us anything else that shows they are bringing the emotion of the game. The passing mechanics look a bit clunky, and as if the user doesn't have much control over the pass itself (could be wrong, just going by vids so far).

[CreatineKasey]

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My expectations are low. Other than tackling, they have not shown us anything else that shows they are bringing the emotion of the game. The passing mechanics look a bit clunky, and as if the user doesn't have much control over the pass itself (could be wrong, just going by vids so far).

That's the impression I got too. The passing seems more like Tecmo Super Bowl than modern football games. If they can make that work, great.

The other thing that's kinda eating away at me is the pass protection. There's no "cup" being made... ever. After getting that in APF it's hard to go without it.

[kjcheezhead]

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That's the impression I got too. The passing seems more like Tecmo Super Bowl than modern football games. If they can make that work, great.

The other thing that's kinda eating away at me is the pass protection. There's no "cup" being made... ever. After getting that in APF it's hard to go without it.

APF still has the best looking pocket by a country mile. I think if you look at the Madden E3 vid and the Backbreaker vid I compared earlier in the post, these 2 games pockets have a very similar, stiff appearance to them. I'm not crazy about how it formed in either game, however Backbreaker has shown me a defender being dropped to one knee and defenders reaching out for real arm tackles. In madden, I can tell by the animation and the distance if the dlineman is gonna break his block or if I can get by. At least Backbreaker has shown it can be unpredictable.

The passing game mechanics are just so-so as well. I don't know about Tecmo Bowl, but people have compared it to having the vision cone in Madden and I would agree. It sounds like you have about 3 types of passes: bullet, medium and deep lob. What sucks is this is how Maddens passing is as well and it's something I absolutely hate about that game. I like the blindside tho. That will at least put a clock in the qbs head that you don't get with other games.

[Hova57]

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myself being really excited about the tech. the recent info to me was a letdown. some interesting things came out, but from a video stand point. very underwhelming.