Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

Collapse

Recommended Videos

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • JustGo
    Banned
    • Jul 2010
    • 5

    #1

    Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

    I think the OVR rating should be abolished.

    It should be replaced by a Value Rating. It would be very similar to an OVR rating, but with a few key differences, that would improve Franchise mode.

    As it stands now, all of a players attributes combine to show an OVR rating, this rating represents a players physical abilities.

    A Value Rating would represent that players ability as well as how he fits onto a certain team, and their style of play.

    I find examples work best with describing this.

    Let's say in Franchise mode, you are playing as the 49ers. On the 49ers, Alex Smith's Value Rating is 85 because they don't have many options at QB, but he's not really a franchise QB. Now let's say you want to trade Alex Smith... and you offer him to Buffalo. Alex Smith, in a trade to Buffalo, may have a Value Rating of 93 because he's better than the QB's they have, and would be a great addition to their team. This would allow you to get more from Buffalo because they value what you're offering more.

    On the other hand, if you offer to trade Smith to the Colts, his Value Rating my be a 60, so you couldn't get as much, because they don't need a starting QB, they have Manning.

    This Value Rating would be shown on the trade offer screen, and would potentially be different for every team, and every team would be taking into account if they actually need the player you're offering.

    As Madden stands now, you could trade Peyton Manning to the Saints for a 1st round pick and Reggie Bush... which would not happen in a million years. They know Peyton is a great QB, but they don't need him... they have Drew Brees, so although Manning has a 99 Value Rating on the Colts, when you offer him to the Saints, his Value Rating would be about a 70. Nice to have, but not need to have.

    This system would also be helpful for progression.

    Increasing an OVR rating means increasing a players physical attributes. This seems to be the hold up with gigantic OVR ratings increases in Madden. You don't want a guy to gain like 5 SPD, 8 ACC, 15 TRK, and 12 CTH in one year just to make the OVR go up by 10 or 15 like it should. Nobody PHYSICALLY gets that much better in real life, which is what would have to happen for an OVR increase.

    With the Value Rating, a player can still make a realistic attribute jump, but his Value Rating could be increased from a 60 to a 99 in one year if he has a record breaking type of year where he is used a lot.

    Statistics would be the direct link to this rating, NOT physical abilities, which is what the OVR represents.

    If you are running a Franchise with the Bills, and CJ Spiller has an OVR of 73, and you rush for 2000 yds, 20 TD's, catch 65 passes... the only way for current progression to show him as a 95 OVR, would be to increase all his physical attributes by about 5-10... and if you could get those stats with a 73 OVR, once his attributes are all increased, you're gonna be rushing for 5000 yards a year, which is ridiculous. ALL physical attribute increases should be modest, which is why the OVR rating will never be a true indicator of what we all really want to see in our franchise.

    In summary, a Value Rating would reflect on what the player has accomplished, not just his attributes... can you say 'realistic'?


    Thoughts?
  • Maniac-64-
    Rookie
    • Jun 2010
    • 72

    #2
    Re: Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

    Wow that was really impressive. I like it!!!
    PSN = Maniac-64-

    Comment

    • fahrenheit
      Rookie
      • Apr 2009
      • 323

      #3
      Re: Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

      I like it, you touched on two major points that are absent from madden. A teams value for each player that is affected by roster and team philosophy, and how a players stats should largely affect a players value.

      Comment

      • rooney8
        Pro
        • Jul 2009
        • 823

        #4
        Re: Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

        Didn't read all your post op but I believe there was an importance rating on last gen Madden that did pretty much what you are saying. If there was then it needs to make a comeback.
        Vote Yes to option to hide player rating


        Comment

        • JustGo
          Banned
          • Jul 2010
          • 5

          #5
          Re: Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

          I think this will add to so many aspects of the game.

          Free agency- no longer will a 64 OVR HB sit at the bottom of Free Agency, when last year, he rushed for 900 yds and 5 TD's as a back-up.

          If his team released him, his Value in the FA market would be about an 80, due to his contributions last year as a back up. Of course this would even vary from team to team.

          His value to the team that led the league in rushing may be a 50, while his value to the team that was dead last in the league in rushing might be an 85-90, and they would be more apt to sign him over a guy who's "OVR" may be a 85, but he averaged 2 yards per carry and only had 2 TD's last year (which would have made his Value drop to about a 70)...

          Comment

          • JustGo
            Banned
            • Jul 2010
            • 5

            #6
            Re: Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

            Originally posted by rooney8
            Didn't read all your post op but I believe there was an importance rating on last gen Madden that did pretty much what you are saying. If there was then it needs to make a comeback.
            Yeah, I do remember that, however, I really don't think it had any impact on the game.

            Comment

            • Unforgiven
              Pro
              • Jun 2007
              • 805

              #7
              Re: Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

              I completely agree. I remember in franchise, I had been longing for that 220lb+ runningback that could break a bunch of tackles and had adequate speed. Well I had finally found that guy.. I used him in preseason and he was just awesome for what I was looking for. He was only I think a 76 overall with C potential, yet he played like a better Marion Barber.

              I just felt bad that because of the way Madden works, he would never be a good player unless I was actually controlling him. Otherwise he would have some real crappy stats through simming games.
              RIP Sean Taylor. Still my idol!

              Comment

              • JustGo
                Banned
                • Jul 2010
                • 5

                #8
                Re: Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

                And we all know that sim stats are based purely off of the OVR rating... (well, it seems that way)

                And that is NOT how the real world works. You could have the most talented guy in the world, but if he's not on the right team, and they aren't using him, he's worth nothing.

                Comment

                • blklightning
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 1294

                  #9
                  Re: Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

                  they had this value rating in the trade system on ps2 madden. what, they don't have it anymore? i wouldn't know because i ended up skipping '10 due to the choppy animations.
                  My score for Madden 13: 4.5/10

                  3 points for graphics, 1 point for the passable commentary, and a half point for the boxart. I can give no further points since the all over the place gameplay would ruin it anyway.

                  Comment

                  • thudias
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 1995

                    #10
                    Re: Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

                    Maybe not time to abolish but it is time to crate an on off switch.
                    Because I can!

                    Comment

                    • da ThRONe
                      Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 8528

                      #11
                      Re: Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

                      I would love this. I think a rating for guys in a certain system would add more realism as a whole. As opposed to a one size fits all overall rating. And hopefully it will be reflected in the way teams sign free agents and draft players. It's the next step in improving franchise mode. Hopefully Ian and comp. will take a serious look at this for M12.
                      You looking at the Chair MAN!

                      Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

                      Comment

                      • tlc12576
                        Banned
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 666

                        #12
                        Re: Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

                        This is a great idea for a single player offline franchise with the rest of the league being CPU controlled. However, what about multi-player offline and online franchises? If USERs can see the other ratings along with the value rating, they will still pick guys based on those.

                        I think this is idea along with stopping all other ratings from being displayed, would really make it universal. I also think they should add a bar system and player conditions like Tecmo Bowl too. Just my two cents.

                        Comment

                        • rooney8
                          Pro
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 823

                          #13
                          Re: Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

                          Originally posted by da ThRONe
                          I would love this. I think a rating for guys in a certain system would add more realism as a whole. As opposed to a one size fits all overall rating. And hopefully it will be reflected in the way teams sign free agents and draft players. It's the next step in improving franchise mode. Hopefully Ian and comp. will take a serious look at this for M12.
                          Then 3-4 teams wouldn't be playing 250 pound DE's. That would be great.
                          Vote Yes to option to hide player rating


                          Comment

                          • nhiverson
                            Rookie
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 94

                            #14
                            Re: Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

                            I like this idea

                            Time to pitch this idea to EA and see what someone there thinks of this.

                            Comment

                            • MrNFL_FanIQ
                              All Star
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 5023

                              #15
                              Re: Time to abolish the OVR Rating?

                              Pretty good idea. They had something closer to this in NFL Head Coach 09 that I really enjoyed.

                              Each team viewed a different overall based on the teams' scheme, which also allowed for much more realistic drafting and signings. For example, someone like a Mount Cody (I forget his first name, I just know he's a freakin' massive NT) would have a high overall for a team like the Ravens or Chargers, but his overall with a team like the Colts would be abysmal.

                              Plus, on Head Coach, it was made up a few different things, such as physical, intangibles, and production. Production is another huge one, if a guy had a big season, he was valued higher, and a low season valued lower, i.e., the Matt Cassel effect.

                              Just things like this would go a LONG way in fixing current gen Madden's franchise mode.

                              Comment

                              Working...