Really hope they fix the playaction on this game

[jcraig33]

What's the point of establishing the run to make the safeties play closer to the line, if every GD time I call a playaction the defenders ignore the running back and sack the QB every time. I really hope they tune this because it really blows.

[adembroski]

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What's the point of establishing the run to make the safeties play closer to the line, if every GD time I call a playaction the defenders ignore the running back and sack the QB every time. I really hope they tune this because it really blows.

Are you using the correct play action? make sure your PA plays display "SETUP" before you run them. You can run on them all day, but if you come with some random PA that isn't connected to anything you've run that day it doesn't do you any good.

[osubeavs721]

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What's the point of establishing the run to make the safeties play closer to the line, if every GD time I call a playaction the defenders ignore the running back and sack the QB every time. I really hope they tune this because it really blows.

if the safeties move up to the line call a quick pass. not a PA, PA's take way to long, the safeties have to be up but about 7 yards back for PA's

[dan_457]

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Are you using the correct play action? make sure your PA plays display "SETUP" before you run them. You can run on them all day, but if you come with some random PA that isn't connected to anything you've run that day it doesn't do you any good.

The setup feature is a joke. You shouldn't have to break a 20+ yard run, or abuse a single play just to make a single similar looking PA pass usable. The fact is that PA plays are broken, it takes way too long fake the hand off, which is probably the main problem, and besides, the AI knowing that you're calling PA pass and conveniently blitzing doesn't help much either. I run the ball the majority of the time, which means PA should work quite well, but instead it results in my QB getting sacked just as soon as he finishes faking the hand off, over 75% of the time.

[sparty77]

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If you pick your spots right then there are a few PA plays that work alright. The fake power run in I or Ace formation is probably the best. If the D looks like they're going to send everybody and you won't get the play off then just hot route the RB to have him block and turn it into a quick pass.

[uofm1508]

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I have no problem at all running play action passes.


You just can't abuse them, and you have to call them in the proper situations

[rudyjuly2]

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The PA passes do result in sacks far too often but I actually had success running a few of them against Bama.

And I agree about the setup plays. The plays should not be completely independent of one another. If a team is running the ball successfully, all play action passes should be more effective and not just the set-up ones out of specific formations. I can understand setting them up out of a certain formation being more effective but there should still be an overall effect as well. Maybe it does work this way. I don't know but it would be nice to get confirmation on this.

[pdiehm]

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I have no problem at all running play action passes.


You just can't abuse them, and you have to call them in the proper situations

They don't work one iota. If you are a spread option team, and you are in the gun, after a few read option plays, the playaction pass off that should be WIDE open.

As someone said above, you don't need to break 20 yard runs for PA to work. If you have a team who's averaging 2-3 yards a carry, they go playaction, and the LB's will...WILL bite. Not in this game...everyone morphs right to the QB as they go right by the ball carrier.

I use ask coach for my playcalling, and if he picks a PA, I change it. It's the only time I change my plays.

[uofm1508]

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They don't work one iota. If you are a spread option team, and you are in the gun, after a few read option plays, the playaction pass off that should be WIDE open.

As someone said above, you don't need to break 20 yard runs for PA to work. If you have a team who's averaging 2-3 yards a carry, they go playaction, and the LB's will...WILL bite. Not in this game...everyone morphs right to the QB as they go right by the ball carrier.

I use ask coach for my playcalling, and if he picks a PA, I change it. It's the only time I change my plays.

False.

I use them with success on a consistent basis.

[sparty77]

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They don't work one iota. If you are a spread option team, and you are in the gun, after a few read option plays, the playaction pass off that should be WIDE open.

As someone said above, you don't need to break 20 yard runs for PA to work. If you have a team who's averaging 2-3 yards a carry, they go playaction, and the LB's will...WILL bite. Not in this game...everyone morphs right to the QB as they go right by the ball carrier.

I use ask coach for my playcalling, and if he picks a PA, I change it. It's the only time I change my plays.

1) If you need the CPU to tell you which plays to run, you probably suck.

2) Don't try PA passes against an all-out blitz, cuz yeah, you won't have enough time to get rid of the pass. Audible. But if you use them in the right situations, I can say definitively that PA passes can and do work on this game. There's a video in my arena that proves it.

[Scrapps]

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1) If you need the CPU to tell you which plays to run, you probably suck.

2) Don't try PA passes against an all-out blitz, cuz yeah, you won't have enough time to get rid of the pass. Audible. But if you use them in the right situations, I can say definitively that PA passes can and do work on this game. There's a video in my arena that proves it.

1) Thanks for your constructive input to the thread.

2) If most knew when the cpu was going to blitz, they probably wouldn't call play action. Wow! One whole video! I don't think people are saying it never works. But, it does result in a sack far too often.

[sparty77]

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1) Thanks for your constructive input to the thread.

2) If most knew when the cpu was going to blitz, they probably wouldn't call play action. Wow! One whole video! I don't think people are saying it never works. But, it does result in a sack far too often.

Actually, the person I was responding to did exactly that.

They don't work one iota.

Ok, here's my take. The PA could be better. It takes slightly longer than it should and it leads to more sacks. Still, people are going way overboard IMO. If you use it correctly, PA can still be very effective.

I just don't like the whole attitude that if you can't do something then it automatically means there's some fatal flaw in the game.

[PrettyT11]

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They don't work one iota. If you are a spread option team, and you are in the gun, after a few read option plays, the playaction pass off that should be WIDE open.

As someone said above, you don't need to break 20 yard runs for PA to work. If you have a team who's averaging 2-3 yards a carry, they go playaction, and the LB's will...WILL bite. Not in this game...everyone morphs right to the QB as they go right by the ball carrier.

I use ask coach for my playcalling, and if he picks a PA, I change it. It's the only time I change my plays.

I'm sorry but if a team is only getting 2-3 yards a carry then the playaction will not work. If a team is only getting 2-3 a carry then thier running game is not a threat. In fact if those are the numbers then thier running game sucks. So there is no need to sneak anybody else into the box or any reason for the safeties to over play.

Secondly I don't really have any problems with the PA especially from the spread shotgun plays. The PA read pass is the easiest in the game to use to me. I have never been sacked on a PA read pass.

[pdiehm]

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First, I know all about playcalling as I am an offensive coordinator for the HS team I coach for, but thanks. I use coach picking the plays because it feels like an OC is calling the game for me, and not to mention, after a day of work and working on schemes and gameplans, I really don't feel like thinking. I just play.

Second, anyone with half of a football brain knows you don't call a PA against an all out blitz, but however, when you do call a PA and the computer magically has an all out blitz called every time, there's a problem.

Play-action passes don't work in this game, it's that simple. Neither the LB's, nor the DL react to the ball carrier. The CB's who sit in zone coverage, don't bite and come up for run support.

It's fine, I'll contine to ignore PA as it just results in 7 guys morphing to the QB by the time he completes the fake.

[pdiehm]

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I'm sorry but if a team is only getting 2-3 yards a carry then the playaction will not work. If a team is only getting 2-3 a carry then thier running game is not a threat. In fact if those are the numbers then thier running game sucks. So there is no need to sneak anybody else into the box or any reason for the safeties to over play.

Secondly I don't really have any problems with the PA especially from the spread shotgun plays. The PA read pass is the easiest in the game to use to me. I have never been sacked on a PA read pass.

Never? Wow, perhaps you should write a thread and explain to those of us who have never completed a PA pass in this version of the game how it works because you're clearly a superior player who's above and beyond anyone on this board.