Divisional Rivalries in Custom Conferences?

[AgentFelix0013]

Hi all, I'm about to set up an offline dynasty where I reworked the BCS conferences to make it interesting this year. I tried to get all the quality BCS teams and non-BCS teams into 5 conferences (sorry Big East). I then set them up by region to eliminate where some of them overlap in real life (ex: SEC, ACC, Big East)(Big 10, ACC, Big East). In setting the divisions though in my 3 biggest conferences I was wondering how you have to do it if I want to have cross divisional rivalries?

Example. In my new SEC Georgia will be in a different division than Florida. Do I have to specifically sub Georgia in for LSU to maintain that annual inter-divisional matchup?

have my spreadsheet of conferences here, organized top to bottom by rating, the 2nd-4th tabs have the conferences with their preferred rivals across from them.

(had to flip names of ACC and Pac 10 as the numbers worked out that way)

[BaylorBearBryant]

Re: Divisional Rivalries in Custom Conferences?

Well, the Big East gets an automatic BCS bowl bid. How's that going to work out?

[AgentFelix0013]

Re: Divisional Rivalries in Custom Conferences?

could throw 7 of the 13 deleted teams in there. they'd get an auto-bid still but my goal was just to make the interleague play more intense. removing the dukes, vandy's and wazzous of the world. there were six 2 star teams in the BCS conferences.

[Pogo27]

Re: Divisional Rivalries in Custom Conferences?

Yes, Georgia has to go to LSU's slot in order to play Florida every year.

LSU-Florida
Georgia-Auburn
Alabama-Tennessee
Mississippi-Kentucky
Mississippi State-Vanderbilt
Arkansas-South Carolina

The Big 12 doesn't work the same way. No one from the north plays anyone from the south every single season.

I'm not sure exactly how the ACC works.

[AgentFelix0013]

Re: Divisional Rivalries in Custom Conferences?

Thank you!!! ACC is the same as SEC. It infamously put Miami and FSU in opposite divisions when they created them for an annual inter-divisional game and the hope of a rematch in the conference title game. We both just failed to live up to it.

[Pogo27]

Re: Divisional Rivalries in Custom Conferences?

Thank you!!! ACC is the same as SEC. It infamously put Miami and FSU in opposite divisions when they created them for an annual inter-divisional game and the hope of a rematch in the conference title game. We both just failed to live up to it.

What are all the cross-division match-ups in the ACC?

FSU-Miami
Ga Tech-Clemson
NC State-UNC
WF-Dook
???

[AgentFelix0013]

Re: Divisional Rivalries in Custom Conferences?

What are all the cross-division match-ups in the ACC?

FSU-Miami
Ga Tech-Clemson
NC State-UNC
WF-Dook
???

BC-VT
Maryland-Virginia

[Pogo27]

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I see. Do the other two cross-division games rotate the same as the SEC? You play a team home or away, do the opposite next season, and then they're replaced, on a 5-year rotation, so year 6 you'll play the same 8 teams you played year 1, etc.

I hope the Pac-12 does it ACC style, ignoring geography and keeping a cross division rival, using these pairings:

Washington-Washington State
Oregon State-Oregon
Cal-Stanford
USC-UCLA
Arizona-Arizona State
Colorado-Utah


and make sure that USC/Oregon are in opposite divisions, so they could potentially meet in the championship game.

[kaptainkracker1]

Re: Divisional Rivalries in Custom Conferences?

What are all the cross-division match-ups in the ACC?

FSU-Miami
Ga Tech-Clemson
NC State-UNC
WF-Dook
???

Maryland plays Virginia every year.

[phillyphan1990]

Re: Divisional Rivalries in Custom Conferences?

Rutgers in the Pac-10.

****.



(I know you weren't going for realism, but as a Rutgers fan I wanted to see where we ended up, and I had to laugh at that.)

[phillyphan1990]

Re: Divisional Rivalries in Custom Conferences?

And l-u-l-z is a banned word?

Interesting.

[AgentFelix0013]

Re: Divisional Rivalries in Custom Conferences?

And l-u-l-z is a banned word?

Interesting.

the Pac 10 and the ACC have reversed names since the ACC only ended up with 10 teams. to make it fit 12 would blow up dominos in 3 other conferences so it was a lot easier for me to name the northeast region the Pac 10 and the West region the ACC than to shift teams with well entrenched rivalries from the Big 10 over, etc.

If you look at who's in the conference it's not a terrible stretch regionally.

[TDTGodfather]

Re: Divisional Rivalries in Custom Conferences?

I see. Do the other two cross-division games rotate the same as the SEC? You play a team home or away, do the opposite next season, and then they're replaced, on a 5-year rotation, so year 6 you'll play the same 8 teams you played year 1, etc.

I hope the Pac-12 does it ACC style, ignoring geography and keeping a cross division rival, using these pairings:

Washington-Washington State
Oregon State-Oregon
Cal-Stanford
USC-UCLA
Arizona-Arizona State
Colorado-Utah


and make sure that USC/Oregon are in opposite divisions, so they could potentially meet in the championship game.

yes. the other two rotate. until a few years ago there were two locks (eg LSU's was UF and UK, ole miss had vandy and UGA, etc) but they went to a one lock system with the other two rotating on and off in a staggered pattern so like this year:
LSU plays vandy and their in their 2nd year of rotation so this year they play in nashville (for some reason it goes west home 1st yr then east home 2nd year for all series)
LSU's other rotating eastern opponent this year is tenn and it will be the 1st yr of the rotation so LSU plays at home.

i think unless it changed the big 12 doesn't have locks and just flips their inter-division 3 opponents every two years. i could be wrong on that.

i like the SEC's setup, but as an LSU fan, could do without UF on the sched every year. with UF being the most consistent power on the other side, i see it as a disadvantage whereas let's say alabama or AU can luck out with a down year with tenn or UGA.

[Pogo27]

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I really don't understand why people bother replying to posts that they didn't read in their entirety.

The SEC system has worked the same way for quite some time now... and I wasn't asking anything about how the SEC schedule works...as I know more than anyone should care to know about it.

I was asking about how the ACC schedule works. I never had any idea (as I really don't know any ACC fans). I now know that they play their 5 division opponents (obviously), as well as one-cross division opponent every season (much like the SEC). My question was to the ACC fan about how the 2nd and 3rd cross-division games are rotated.


As far as the Big 12 goes... you play half of the cross-division opponents one season, the next season you play the same opponents but flip home/away, then the third season you change all the cross-division opponents out for the other 3, and in the 4th season you flip home-away, and in the fifth season you do the same as the first. So Nebraska's southern division opponents, for example, look like this:

2006: vs Texas, at Oklahoma State, at Texas A&M
2007: vs Oklahoma State, vs Texas A&M, at Texas
2008: at Texas Tech, vs Baylor, at Oklahoma
2009: vs Texas Tech, at Baylor, vs Oklahoma
2010: vs Texas, at Oklahoma State, at Texas A&M


And if they were sticking around for 2011, it'd be at Texas, vs Oklahoma State, vs Texas A&M.

Their intra-division games are set up to give them 3 homes when they have just 1 cross-division home, and 2 homes when they have 2 cross-division aways, so it maintains them all at 4 home, 4 away games.



As for it not being fair for LSU to play Florida every year...first, someone has to play them. When the pairings were set, they were set in part based on rivalries and in part based on the consistent powers. Florida is definitely one of the most consistent powers in the east, but LSU is one of the most consistent powers in the west. Alabama and Auburn are and have been great programs, so they get the other two great programs from the East (plus there are rivalries), with Bama playing Tenn and Auburn playing Georgia.

Mississippi and Mississippi State have traditionally been the worse two programs out of the 5 west teams that have always been in the SEC, and the same can be said for Kentucky and Vanderbilt in the east, and therefore Mississippi is paired with Kentucky, and State with Vandy.


Arkansas and South Carolina get paired as the 11th and 12th teams to join the conference (much like I propose Colorado/Utah in the Pac-12), but also there's some reason for rivalry there, as Danny Ford left Clemson in '93 to come coach Arkansas, just as the two teams were joining the conference. Also, Lou Holtz coached both teams to some of their more successful seasons. Though Arkansas has much more football tradition, with 13 conference titles in the old SWC and one national title, to South Carolina's just 1 conference title in the old days of the ACC.

[tjm80]

Re: Divisional Rivalries in Custom Conferences?

LSU-Florida
Georgia-Auburn
Alabama-Tennessee
Mississippi-Kentucky
Mississippi State-Vanderbilt
Arkansas-South Carolina

Mississippi plays Vanderbilt and Mississippi State plays Kentucky.