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  • swhyte21
    Banned
    • Jul 2010
    • 121

    #1

    Need to implement better Dual-RB system.

    I pretty consistently have two RBs on my depth chart that are on par with eachother, and I also don't like to run one back 20+ times in a game, just how I play. But messing with auto subs, I still get too many carries for one and not the other, or the top running back disappears from the game nearing the fourth quarter.

    I know I can position subs in the formation play window, but that is a hassle changing back and forth, and formation subs isn't consistent.

    I'd like it to be around 20 carries for one back and 10 for the other, but seem to be averaging 27-28 to 4-5 carries.
  • IamLEGENDsince87
    MVP
    • Feb 2009
    • 1268

    #2
    Re: Need to implement better Dual-RB system.

    Originally posted by swhyte21
    I pretty consistently have two RBs on my depth chart that are on par with eachother, and I also don't like to run one back 20+ times in a game, just how I play. But messing with auto subs, I still get too many carries for one and not the other, or the top running back disappears from the game nearing the fourth quarter.

    I know I can position subs in the formation play window, but that is a hassle changing back and forth, and formation subs isn't consistent.

    I'd like it to be around 20 carries for one back and 10 for the other, but seem to be averaging 27-28 to 4-5 carries.
    man I feel u....I'd like to even get two backs at least 15-20 and maybe a 3rd back 5-10 touches but I guess we just have to play on more minutes and constantly remember to package and use form subs.........I bet theyre cookin up somethin for NCAA 12(Mr.Burns fingers)

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    • DJ
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      • Apr 2003
      • 17756

      #3
      Re: Need to implement better Dual-RB system.

      Formation subs are your friend. In my FSU Dynasty, I have 3 backs that I like to use, so I try and match them up with the sets/plays that I think they'll perform the best in. It works out real well and the carries are spread out to where I like them.
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      • L.A.V.A.
        Rookie
        • Jun 2010
        • 33

        #4
        Re: Need to implement better Dual-RB system.

        I do the same. I use Penn St. So i have Evan Royster #22 in certain formations, Stephfon Green #21 in ace spread and all shotgun formations. I use 4th string rb, Curtis Dukes #26 in goaline and i-form tight as he is a big power back.

        Using these formations I usually get Royster 20 carries or so, Green gets 7-8 but also gets about 3-4 screens. most of his runs are stretch and draw plays. Dukes gets about 4-5. usually on 3rd and shorts and goaline.

        Good thing about this is they all stay fresh, so more chances for broken tackles and less chance for fumbles.

        If one gets tired or u want the #1 back in the game, just go to hb sub and he will come in on the formation screen.
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        • Roggie
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          • Dec 2008
          • 1753

          #5
          Re: Need to implement better Dual-RB system.

          I'm playing as Va Tech, so I've got the same problem. I ended up putting Ryan Williams in about 55% of my formations, Darren Evans in about 35% and David Wilson in 10%. But yeah, formation subs aren't perfect. Every once in a while Ryan Williams refuses to come out when it's DE's play.
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          • QuinnMahoney
            Rookie
            • Aug 2009
            • 169

            #6
            Re: Need to implement better Dual-RB system.

            I've actually been having pretty good success running a two back system. I have a back that is an 81 with 91 speed and 85 break tackle, then i have another back that is an 80 with 98 speed and 80 break tackle. I am using the one back playbook. With formation subs i have it set so the speed back is in when the set has better stretch, and pitch plays. I think 6 games in the speed back has 30 less carries but still has one more touchdown. I really like how my offense is feeling this year.
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            • jmik58
              Staff Writer
              • Jan 2008
              • 2401

              #7
              Re: Need to implement better Dual-RB system.

              This is so simple, I don't see how you hate doing formation subs from the play-call screen.

              Push the right stick left or right and you have the backup in.

              I do this all the time if I have two even-par backs and it works great. I always have fresh legs in the game.

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              • Rebel10
                MVP
                • Jan 2003
                • 1162

                #8
                Re: Need to implement better Dual-RB system.

                I do the same and usually use formation subs and packages.

                MY gripe with packages is that... sometimes the Right Stick just isn't responsive at all and it REFUSES to switch packages on me. It's so odd, happens a lot.

                I sort of liked Madden's "quick sub" from a few years ago more. Hit the B button quickly sub in a player to a specific position or formation. I don't know why we can't really have both... packages and quick sub.

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                • AubOrange
                  Rookie
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 126

                  #9
                  Re: Need to implement better Dual-RB system.

                  Originally posted by Rebel10
                  MY gripe with packages is that... sometimes the Right Stick just isn't responsive at all and it REFUSES to switch packages on me. It's so odd, happens a lot.
                  Yep, yep, yep. It would all be so much better if they just mapped it to the shoulder buttons or something.

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                  • KingV2k3
                    Senior Circuit
                    • May 2003
                    • 5881

                    #10
                    Re: Need to implement better Dual-RB system.

                    I think if you set your HB auto subs to around 85-90 out / 90-95 in (or there abouts, depending on the fatigue ratings of your guys), you'd also get the desired result...

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                    • Bears_16_and_0
                      Banned
                      • May 2003
                      • 1328

                      #11
                      Re: Need to implement better Dual-RB system.

                      yeah that only problem is that it bugs out all the time. I guess I should try some more formation subs since I play as Iowa. I dont really like limiting them to certain formations though, as all 3 of my running backs are pretty good and pretty much all rounders.

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                      • Hova57
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 3754

                        #12
                        Re: Need to implement better Dual-RB system.

                        yea king that's what i do if my back get three or four carries in a row and had to juke and spin he comes out the next back will get a carry or two and the my starter is back in . it works well for me.

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                        • bigmike20000
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                          • Dec 2007
                          • 77

                          #13
                          Re: Need to implement better Dual-RB system.

                          i just finished my first year with iowa and my three tailbacks had around 1200, 550, and 450 yds. what i do isn't ideal but i like it, 1st quarter starting RB and backup as 1/2, 2nd quarter is backup and third string as 1/2, then after halftime its starter as 1 and whoever performed better between backup and 3rd string as 2. i've done it that way for awhile because i run the ball so much, auto subs at 84/85 and whoever is 2nd string will always get carries because they are subbed in and carries when i make them the starter. like i said not ideal in real life but it works on the game to get all backs touches, and i do have certain backs in certain formation subs based on catching attributes for screens and PA.

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                          • ibrokeu
                            Rookie
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 89

                            #14
                            Re: Need to implement better Dual-RB system.

                            There are three seperate ways to get you're 2nd string back into a play. That should be about last on EAs to do list IMO.

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                            • blakty
                              Pro
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 759

                              #15
                              Re: Need to implement better Dual-RB system.

                              Originally posted by KingV2k3
                              I think if you set your HB auto subs to around 85-90 out / 90-95 in (or there abouts, depending on the fatigue ratings of your guys), you'd also get the desired result...
                              Wait...you can auto sub postions? How is this done and how could I have missed it?

                              Anyways, I'm not sure the substitution system could be done any better for the user. I have no problem spreading carries around to all three of my backs. Just don't use formation subs if you're going just two backs because you can't sub the subbed-in-guy back out (if that makes any sense)

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