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  • adembroski
    49ers
    • Jul 2002
    • 5829

    #1

    A gripe about commentary

    I know, I know, there are plenty of gripes to be had about commentary, and there's the other side of the coin; there are plenty of games that should get the commentary complaints before this one. I agree on both counts, but there's one specific thing that annoys me more than other things.

    Inane, self-evident comments. The kind of comments that really make you realize it's video game commentary.

    I realize commentary has to be somewhat neutral, as the computer can only be so aware of situations and it must be able to adapt to a lot of circumstances. But some things are just plain pointless and make the commentators seems stupid.

    Example: "Ya know, penalties can really ruin a team's chances of winning when they commit too many."

    Thanks, Herbie, what insight! Did you learn that watching John Madden? "Anytime you score a touchdown, BOOM! That's worth six points. Heh heh, and then you even get to kick an extra point. That's worth one. So if you score a touchdown and your kicker can make the extra point, you get seven points. Of course, you don't have to kick the extra point, you can go for two and... hey, Pat, what's with all the whiskey?" "Thaaanksh Joohhnnn... *hic* "

    I think commentary could be made appreciably better by simply finding these lines (and I'm sure we can provide a list!) and rewriting them in a way that doesn't sound so damned disinterested and lame.

    Most of the "we'll see" lines fall into this category. "We'll see what the offense can do here." "We'll see how this rain affects these two teams." Really, Brad? Will we? Or will we watch 60 minutes of football and look back saying, "You know, I'm really not sure how the offense did on that drive."

    So, drop every line in the game that starts with "We'll See". Rewrite the inane filler babble and insert something of an opinion.

    Example: Instead of the penalty comment, Herbie could say, for instance, "That's just wreckless, undisciplined football! You've gotta be more aware than that." Simple, perhaps still a bit of a filler line, but at least its something I can imagine him actually saying, and it doesn't shove the words "VIDEO GAME" down my throat.
    Last edited by adembroski; 09-28-2010, 03:40 PM.
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  • kobe882
    Rookie
    • Oct 2003
    • 107

    #2
    Re: A gripe about commentary

    No doubt, the commentary in this game needs so much work..

    I like the suggestions that you have... Really tho i would be very happy, and i'm sure others would be too if they decided to redo all the commentary for next year. Throw almost all of it out, or at least half of it, add way more in, make it so much more dynamic.

    Do whatever you can EA to make the commentary feel at least half of what a real college football game feels like. However you can do that.. It has to be possible somehow to make this game feel like it feels when i watch it on television..

    I think everyone would agree that while there are always lots of things that could be better.. I feel that we have had basically the same presentation and commentary for almost 10 years now.

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    • hitch450
      Rookie
      • Aug 2009
      • 77

      #3
      Re: A gripe about commentary

      I totally agree. And one more thing.

      I broke my schools all time sack record with my DE and he's still a junior. Now everytime he makes a sack in a game, or at least the first one for the game I have to hear about how he just broke the school record. Really annoying and frustrating after a while.

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      • kobe882
        Rookie
        • Oct 2003
        • 107

        #4
        Re: A gripe about commentary

        Originally posted by hitch450
        I totally agree. And one more thing.

        I broke my schools all time sack record with my DE and he's still a junior. Now everytime he makes a sack in a game, or at least the first one for the game I have to hear about how he just broke the school record. Really annoying and frustrating after a while.
        the worst part about this? i believe it was like that at least 2 years ago.. so yeah its been like that for 3 years and they have known about it, and havent fixed it.

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        • mwink31
          Rookie
          • Apr 2009
          • 172

          #5
          Re: A gripe about commentary

          My favorite (not verbatim) is after a win, Herbie says something about the score surprised him, He thought the two teams were very closly matched.

          Not a terrible line when Michigan State plays Michigan (those two teams have almost the exact same overall ratings), but when Michigan State plays FCS, I don't expect to hear that comment. An 86 overall, is not close to a 60ish FCS team.
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          • The Amaizen Blue
            Pro
            • Sep 2010
            • 516

            #6
            Re: A gripe about commentary

            I think this game has great commentary (compared to other sports games). Like for instance, they took my favorite announcer of all time in Gary Thorne (EA NHL series) and took the enthusiasm out of him. Now he sounds like a monotone commentator, but if you hear some of his real life calls, they'll give you goosebumps. Yeah, this game's commentary could use work too, but I hope they fix the "super jumping LBs" before this lol.

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            • Bullet Sponge
              Pro
              • Sep 2010
              • 828

              #7
              Re: A gripe about commentary

              The commentary could EASILY be so much more. They game has oodles of stats to draw from. You should be hearing things like this:

              "Boise hasn't lost at home in 15 games, but Fresno has a 10 game road winning streak. Something has to give today!"

              "This is Jones' 3rd 300 yard passing game of the season"

              "This kid is averaging over 100 yards a game rushing"

              "These teams are tied for the conference lead so this game is huge"

              "Utah state hasn't beaten a ranked team in 8 years"

              etc etc etc. Have the game check the stats and come up with some MEANINGFUL commentary. It would change the whole experience.

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              • z Revis
                Hall Of Fame
                • Oct 2008
                • 13639

                #8
                Re: A gripe about commentary

                I completely agree. Commentary adds so much to a game. And like gameplay, we want it to be realistic and 'sim like'. EA needs to take a look at the way 2k handles commentary in their NBA games. It's so fluid and the things they say are actually things that you would hear in real life.
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                • ashamael
                  Rookie
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 207

                  #9
                  Re: A gripe about commentary

                  Originally posted by mwink31
                  My favorite (not verbatim) is after a win, Herbie says something about the score surprised him, He thought the two teams were very closly matched.

                  Not a terrible line when Michigan State plays Michigan (those two teams have almost the exact same overall ratings), but when Michigan State plays FCS, I don't expect to hear that comment. An 86 overall, is not close to a 60ish FCS team.
                  Yeah, like when my A+ Alabama beats a D+ Syracuse by 45. I actually find myself thinking less of real Herbie even though I know that's not really him with that opinion.

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                  • Bullet Sponge
                    Pro
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 828

                    #10
                    Re: A gripe about commentary

                    Originally posted by ashamael
                    Yeah, like when my A+ Alabama beats a D+ Syracuse by 45. I actually find myself thinking less of real Herbie even though I know that's not really him with that opinion.
                    I was thinking that the other day too. How the terribly inappropriate comments make Herbie and Brad look, even though it's not really them.
                    Last edited by Bullet Sponge; 09-28-2010, 06:24 PM.

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                    • boomersooner31
                      Rookie
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 312

                      #11
                      Re: A gripe about commentary

                      I heard one today where I completed a pass for 3 yards and Brad goes "no gain on the play!"...as I come to the line, he says something like "well let's see what they do after that three four yard gain (even though the stat above the overlay says 3 yards)". Amazing.

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                      • volsfan74
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 31

                        #12
                        Re: A gripe about commentary

                        Originally posted by z Revis
                        I completely agree. Commentary adds so much to a game. And like gameplay, we want it to be realistic and 'sim like'. EA needs to take a look at the way 2k handles commentary in their NBA games. It's so fluid and the things they say are actually things that you would hear in real life.
                        I agree 100 %. Whenever I play 2k10 in conjunction with NBA Today, I feel like the commentators are in the same room with me. I wish EA could make wholesale changes to the commentary.

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                        • canes21
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 22948

                          #13
                          Re: A gripe about commentary

                          EA should be embarrassed with their commentary. They should really be embarrassed by their presentation package altogether. The ESPN presentation this year was a nice step, but was never fully put into the game and feel lacking. Imagine if EA could hit this level...

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                          • dan_457
                            MVP
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 4106

                            #14
                            Re: A gripe about commentary

                            Originally posted by canes21
                            EA should be embarrassed with their commentary. They should really be embarrassed by their presentation package altogether. The ESPN presentation this year was a nice step, but was never fully put into the game and feel lacking. Imagine if EA could hit this level...

                            http://community.2ksports.com/community/insights/
                            So yeah, That makes NCAA 11's already terribad commentary, and makes it look even worse. When you compare EA to 2K in terms of presentation, it's like EA's doesn't even try, they're just punching the clock while 2k is striving for something great.

                            Wouldn't it be great to actually hear something along the lines of " *Inset Team's* QB is coming of a great game against *Insert Team*, where he had over 200 passing yards and over 100 rushing" Or if they'd actually acknowledge the heisman winner during the bowl games. Dynamic commentary is really whats missing, without it there's a disconnect between what has happened, what's happening now, and what will happen, and it just makes the games commentary completely uncompelling.
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                            • Bullet Sponge
                              Pro
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 828

                              #15
                              Re: A gripe about commentary

                              I gotta post these as I hear them lol. Last night I heard a couple that had me laughing.

                              The opposing team's offense came out after I scored and kicked off to them. Despite the fact that they had not scored yet, Kirk announced they had scored on their last two drives and were looking for another...

                              Then later with about 30 seconds to play in the game, and trailing, the computer called hurry up and Kirk announced "he knew we'd see the hurry up offense from these guys at some point".

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