Cheese or not Cheese?

[calbears7]

So give me your opinion if the following situation is "Cheese"

I am playing a user game of my online dynasty: Texas(me) vs Oklahoma

The game is going back and forth and its 21-14 Texas with 6 seconds left on the clock Oklahoma has the ball. The guy scores with one second left and I am like okay were gonna go to OT.Then I see that he is gonna go for it. I already think this is cheese and am thinking to myself wow what a dumb way to end a great game. so i come out in a goal line defense and he comes out in an I formation. he snaps the ball and runs the option. and does the classic cheeser pitch the ball as the QB is being tackled and he got it and that was the game 22-21.
IMO I thought it was cheese from the point he went for 2 because I know college football and I know Bob Stoops would not go for 2 with the game on the line. Then the option is the icing on the cheese IMO.

I know this is a little over the top but thats because I just lost so all I am asking is do you guys think this is cheese because I was told this dynasty was going to be a sim style and I see that in my first user game.

[Roggie]

Re: Cheese or not Cheese?

Not cheese. I've seen teams who are being outplayed when a game is tied late go for two to win it. I don't find the option cheesy at all. The cheese pitch is easy to stop. All you do is instantly select a different player when you tackle the QB. You can send that guy at the HB faster than the CPU will adjust them, so you can stop it.

[calbears7]

Re: Cheese or not Cheese?

Not cheese. I've seen teams who are being outplayed when a game is tied late go for two to win it. I don't find the option cheesy at all. The cheese pitch is easy to stop. All you do is instantly select a different player when you tackle the QB. You can send that guy at the HB faster than the CPU will adjust them, so you can stop it.

Its a sim league or supposed to be one. Oklahoma is never that ballsy. watch one of there games. Bob stoops would never do that. I would be fine if it was Mark Dantonio at Michigan State or Chris Peterson at Boise but not Oklahoma thats not sim football.

[BlastX21]

Re: Cheese or not Cheese?

Well technically it may not be cheese, however I am still 100% against it. I think that considering all the money plays (especially on the goal line) and poor defensive reactions on certain offensive plays, going for 2 in a situation like this is somewhat unfair, not to mention unrealistic as TC said.

I think if he went for the fake field goal that would have been perfectly legit. At least that would involve some strategy. But the i-form option on the goal line is way overpowered due to the QB being able to pitch while being sandwiched by 2 defenders.

[mylastexit]

Re: Cheese or not Cheese?

Not cheese - I actually did the exact same thing to my opponent the other day. Same situation, score as time expires, called the I form Power Option against a goal line set and it got BLEW UP. I lost 28-27.

However, usually I would kick. I always play for OT but I had no choice this time. I had to go for two and try and end the game. My wife was almost home.

Yeah, I said it.

[iamironman84]

Re: Cheese or not Cheese?

Not cheese - I actually did the exact same thing to my opponent the other day. Same situation, score as time expires, called the I form Power Option against a goal line set and it got BLEW UP. I lost 28-27.

However, usually I would kick. I always play for OT but I had no choice this time. I had to go for two and try and end the game. My wife was almost home.

Yeah, I said it.

You do what you have to my brother. Keep the wifey happy and you may actually get to play your game again. If she gets upset, then you find your game disc on the end table being used as a coaster

[Schreck]

Re: Cheese or not Cheese?

Well, as the commish of this particular dynasty, I have to say I don't really consider that to be cheese. I definitely see your point, because when somebody does that stuff to you it sucks to no end. Losing like that is a kick in the balls. But, to me, it is just a really aggressive play call. I know it might not be exactly what Stoops or most other coaches would do, but it does happen, and let's face it, this is not real life. This dynasty is trying to be sim, but as far as I'm concerned aggressive play calls aren't cheese, sometimes they might not be just like "real life", but this is a video game, let's face it, we don't have much on the line. You make the stop and you win.

The other guy also said you went for it on a 4th and 2 from your own 30 or so, not exactly something Mack Brown would do, so it goes both ways. I hate when people pull either one of these moves, but stop them and they look really stupid, let them make it and it will piss you off.

I won't stand for cheese dicks, but to me the only thing that's cheese is abusing a glitch or some weakness in the game. Aggressiveness is not cheese to me. I saw the video of the option play he ran, that is tough, not sure how the hell he kept his RB in bounds after that ridiculous pitch, but he pulled it off. Don't want there to be any hard feelings on it, I know it sucks to lose that way and I'd be pissed if I was you too, hopefully a night's sleep took the edge off. Better luck next time bro.

[Bucknut17]

Re: Cheese or not Cheese?

Not cheese, I'm in 3 online dynasties 1 of which i run, we have pretty strict rules on cheese and I would have gone for 2 most likely and would have expected my opponent to as well

[jello1717]

Re: Cheese or not Cheese?

Well you lost, ergo it must've been cheese right? Not one of us have ever lost a game to a user unless he cheesed, right?

In seriousness, of course going for 2 in that situation isn't cheesy in any way shape for form. Also, for some reason, you're getting caught up in what Stoops would or wouldn't do. Unless Bob somehow has some free time on his hands and was on the sticks, I don't see the relevance at all. That's like saying that if the OU user was using TTU's playbook it's cheese because Bob wouldn't do that.

[Starter]

Re: Cheese or not Cheese?

So give me your opinion if the following situation is "Cheese"

I am playing a user game of my online dynasty: Texas(me) vs Oklahoma

The game is going back and forth and its 21-14 Texas with 6 seconds left on the clock Oklahoma has the ball. The guy scores with one second left and I am like okay were gonna go to OT.Then I see that he is gonna go for it. I already think this is cheese and am thinking to myself wow what a dumb way to end a great game. so i come out in a goal line defense and he comes out in an I formation. he snaps the ball and runs the option. and does the classic cheeser pitch the ball as the QB is being tackled and he got it and that was the game 22-21.
IMO I thought it was cheese from the point he went for 2 because I know college football and I know Bob Stoops would not go for 2 with the game on the line. Then the option is the icing on the cheese IMO.

I know this is a little over the top but thats because I just lost so all I am asking is do you guys think this is cheese because I was told this dynasty was going to be a sim style and I see that in my first user game.

Going to two to win the game is not cheese. It's ballsy as hell but not cheese.

Do you play with Texas's playbook? I don't play with my teams playbook. In my Georgia OD, I do not run the 3-4. Does that make me not sim? I play a more aggresive style than Mark Riecht. Am I not sim?

Your user opponent has more balls that Bob Stoops. That doen't make it non-sim.

[calbears7]

Re: Cheese or not Cheese?

Well, as the commish of this particular dynasty, I have to say I don't really consider that to be cheese. I definitely see your point, because when somebody does that stuff to you it sucks to no end. Losing like that is a kick in the balls. But, to me, it is just a really aggressive play call. I know it might not be exactly what Stoops or most other coaches would do, but it does happen, and let's face it, this is not real life. This dynasty is trying to be sim, but as far as I'm concerned aggressive play calls aren't cheese, sometimes they might not be just like "real life", but this is a video game, let's face it, we don't have much on the line. You make the stop and you win.

The other guy also said you went for it on a 4th and 2 from your own 30 or so, not exactly something Mack Brown would do, so it goes both ways. I hate when people pull either one of these moves, but stop them and they look really stupid, let them make it and it will piss you off.

I won't stand for cheese dicks, but to me the only thing that's cheese is abusing a glitch or some weakness in the game. Aggressiveness is not cheese to me. I saw the video of the option play he ran, that is tough, not sure how the hell he kept his RB in bounds after that ridiculous pitch, but he pulled it off. Don't want there to be any hard feelings on it, I know it sucks to lose that way and I'd be pissed if I was you too, hopefully a night's sleep took the edge off. Better luck next time bro.

ya im fine now all I know now is next year thats gonna be one hell of a rivalry game and I am looking forward to it.

[GoBlue10]

Re: Cheese or not Cheese?

not cheese......risky, but not cheesy

[calbears7]

Re: Cheese or not Cheese?

Well you lost, ergo it must've been cheese right? Not one of us have ever lost a game to a user unless he cheesed, right?

no I get what your saying but I probably would have said something anyway. It would have been more along the lines of "wow you cheese and you still cant beat me" rather than "your cheesing lost me the game"

[KennyLSU]

Re: Cheese or not Cheese?

Not cheese. In the words of Herm, "You play to win the game". If it was in the middle of the game then I would think differently but at the end of the game it's no different than electing to go for a TD and win instead of a FG to tie.

The pitch is the thing I would not like. I have been in OD's where that kind of pitch is illegal. Yes it can be stopped but it shouldn't happen to begin with.

[Schreck]

Re: Cheese or not Cheese?

Not cheese. In the words of Herm, "You play to win the game". If it was in the middle of the game then I would think differently but at the end of the game it's no different than electing to go for a TD and win instead of a FG to tie.

The pitch is the thing I would not like. I have been in OD's where that kind of pitch is illegal. Yes it can be stopped but it shouldn't happen to begin with.

Just out of curiosity, how exactly did you make that type of pitch illegal? I mean I know you can say that, but did if somebody did it were they warned, booted, etc? It's pretty ridiculous for some of those pitches to work, but I've also seen guys try to pull that and they fumble it, get it picked by the d, or just throw it away. It's a risk, sometimes it amazingly works out, sometimes it doesn't. Anytime an incredible play goes against you it sucks and seems "unrealistic", but when you do it, it is pretty damn exciting. Just a matter of perspective.

I think some of the rules people put in place about certain plays and things being done are overkill, IRL, if a team can't stop you, you keep doing what works, why is that wrong to do in the game? It only makes sense to attack a team's weakness.