A Madden "Cheese" Rating is long overdue.

[Burner_22]

2011 online gameplay has been killed for me. Mainly due to the defensive engine that has been upgraded with the new patch.

But my goodness EA do something about the cheesers. The scouting reports arent enough.

As you play online you should have a cheese rating and a sim rating. Let me explain:


As you play the games the more you fake punts, kicks, onside kick, fb dives, flats, pause glitch, go for it on fourth down, hurry up offense, run out the clock, 1-5-5, abuse the same play. etc.

It will put a nice Yellow bar by your name that simply says CHEESE in white letters. Hence branding you a cheese baller easily making you avoidable by guys who play sim style.

On the contrary as you play sim style football. It puts a nice red bar next your name that says SIM in white letters.

There you go EA problem solved. I really hate that its such a hassle to enjoy the online features of a footbal game in 2010.

Anybody thinks this is a nice touch? Hopefully someone from EA can look into it.

[TNT713]

Re: A Madden "Cheese" Rating is long overdue.

We could get into many reasons this is a bad idea... But I'll focus on the one I deem most important.

I'm a football purist strategically. I own an official rulebook, maintain a decent sized library, and make it a point to be as knowledgeable as I can about real life offensive and defensive strategy so I can apply those concepts to my Madden game.

That being said, what thrills me most about Madden is the depth to which people can decide to manage their team within the framework of the game. Decisions are important. Indeed, the final score of a football game is the sum total of the decisions that are made during the game.

While I don't always agree with decisions that others make, I defend their abilities to make them despite my disapproval. As such, I object to any form of system that gives the appearance to my opponent that he needs my approval to make his decisions.

Furthermore, I despise the use of 'cheese' to describe any unorthodox football tactic used in Madden. There is legal game play and there is cheating and there may already be a feedback system to deal with cheaters.

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[ryan36]

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I agree this is a bad idea. Although I disagree with TNT in that , playing someone who always goes for it on 4th down is obnoxious. You always end up playing defense, getting great field position , and then scoring in 2 plays and going back on defense...that bugs me

[TNT713]

Re: A Madden "Cheese" Rating is long overdue.

I agree this is a bad idea. Although I disagree with TNT in that , playing someone who always goes for it on 4th down is obnoxious. You always end up playing defense, getting great field position , and then scoring in 2 plays and going back on defense...that bugs me

My father used to say: "Beat the booty to make the mind work." It essentially means getting your teeth kicked in a few times will make you think about doing something different.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank ryan36 for doing his duty in spite of his reservations. As NFL Sim style Madden players, we have the responsibility to beat the goat turds out of each and every player that plays Madden like it's 'just a video game.'

We have to show them why it's a bad idea to go for it on 4th and long in your own territory. If they quit - so what. Hopefully the next guy will whoop them 10x worse. Eventually, they will either quit playing Madden or quit playing like an imbecile.

Either way, SIM players win whenever a 'cheese' player is outwitted and outplayed by a SIM style player who sticks to his philosophy regardless of the situation.

It bugs me too that there are so many players who play 'cheesy,' but it bothers me more that there aren't enough SIM players standing up to 'cheese' players on the field. Far too often we run to EA for the solution to a problem that is well withing our own power to control.

The solution: BEAT THE STUFFINGS OUT OF CHEESERS - and do it with SIM play. Soon there will be converts.

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[whoRweNATION]

Re: A Madden "Cheese" Rating is long overdue.

Wow...a cheese rating, huh? Not a good idea at all. Beat the cheese out of them with strategies of your own.

[frankrizzo380]

Re: A Madden "Cheese" Rating is long overdue.

chees rating >>>> old spice swagger rating....

sorry, couldnt help myself

[PGaither84]

Re: A Madden "Cheese" Rating is long overdue.

The solution: BEAT THE STUFFINGS OUT OF CHEESERS - and do it with SIM play. Soon there will be converts.

TNT, I gotta disagree. The mindset of a "cheeser" is something you can't rationalize with. If what they want to do doesn't work, they'll just pull the plug and try again with someone else.

[phant030]

Re: A Madden "Cheese" Rating is long overdue.

I agree and disagree.

There are cheaters. Ppl who blatantly use exploits and glitches to win. They are who we thought they were. No changing it, they prolly do this in every single video game they own.

Then, there are players who do what the games lets them. They don't 'know' they are cheating. They know the crossing pattern works, they know that the toss play works. The lead pass works on 2k.....so these are the things they use to win. But, they don't know they are exploiting the game...they just are doing what they know works. If they get tired of losing, they may change.

But due to the casual amount of players, they will be able to compete with this style and wont mind losing every know and again to a better player. And at the same time, the amount of casual players will lead to our frustration b/c of the same lack of skill and strategy. You pretty much have to take the good with the bad.

But there, needs to be some more identifiers of how you opponent plays pre-game.

[bukktown]

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My father used to say: "Beat the booty to make the mind work." It essentially means getting your teeth kicked in a few times will make you think about doing something different.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank ryan36 for doing his duty in spite of his reservations. As NFL Sim style Madden players, we have the responsibility to beat the goat turds out of each and every player that plays Madden like it's 'just a video game.'

We have to show them why it's a bad idea to go for it on 4th and long in your own territory. If they quit - so what. Hopefully the next guy will whoop them 10x worse. Eventually, they will either quit playing Madden or quit playing like an imbecile.

Either way, SIM players win whenever a 'cheese' player is outwitted and outplayed by a SIM style player who sticks to his philosophy regardless of the situation.

It bugs me too that there are so many players who play 'cheesy,' but it bothers me more that there aren't enough SIM players standing up to 'cheese' players on the field. Far too often we run to EA for the solution to a problem that is well withing our own power to control.

The solution: BEAT THE STUFFINGS OUT OF CHEESERS - and do it with SIM play. Soon there will be converts.

Later

You are correct on all but one count. It is just BORING to play like that. Its my free time and I am playing a game to have fun and relax. I had my epiphany in 05 when you had to audible to FG formation then back to your original play every snap to counter the Dime nano.

[bfindeisen]

Re: A Madden "Cheese" Rating is long overdue.

2011 online gameplay has been killed for me. Mainly due to the defensive engine that has been upgraded with the new patch.

But my goodness EA do something about the cheesers. The scouting reports arent enough.

As you play online you should have a cheese rating and a sim rating. Let me explain:


As you play the games the more you fake punts, kicks, onside kick, fb dives, flats, pause glitch, go for it on fourth down, hurry up offense, run out the clock, 1-5-5, abuse the same play. etc.

It will put a nice Yellow bar by your name that simply says CHEESE in white letters. Hence branding you a cheese baller easily making you avoidable by guys who play sim style.

On the contrary as you play sim style football. It puts a nice red bar next your name that says SIM in white letters.

There you go EA problem solved. I really hate that its such a hassle to enjoy the online features of a footbal game in 2010.

Anybody thinks this is a nice touch? Hopefully someone from EA can look into it.

Burner,

I think it's a genius idea! I've been dying for something like this...or some way for me to tell prior to entering a game, what style of player I am going up against. I am all for as much info as can be depicted (based off prior gameplay) about your opponent prior to the game...so (1) you can prepare and gameplan, or (2) avoid the game altogether if you don't want to invest time in playing someone who cheeses.

I completely understand everyone's point to beat the cheesers by using sound strategy, etc..., but there is an inherent problem with this. Cheesers will use any method necessary to gain an advantage. Most so-called "sim" players try to play the game in a manner so that it resembles what we see in real life. Cheesers will exploit weaknesses in the coding that has nothing to do with football strategy, etc. That is not something that can be defeated always by simply playing good video game football. Sometimes, cheesers find exploits that can't easily be stopped, and even if it can be, often the method used to stop these plays is equally "cheesy".

I'd rather not play the game at all than waste an hour of my time countering his cheese plays with my cheese plays. I'd like to avoid that experience altogether, and a "Cheese Rating" would go along way towards helping me assess a game before I enter it.

[bfindeisen]

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You are correct on all but one count. It is just BORING to play like that. Its my free time and I am playing a game to have fun and relax. I had my epiphany in 05 when you had to audible to FG formation then back to your original play every snap to counter the Dime nano.

^ This is essentially my point.

[TNT713]

Re: A Madden "Cheese" Rating is long overdue.

You are correct on all but one count. It is just BORING to play like that. Its my free time and I am playing a game to have fun and relax. I had my epiphany in 05 when you had to audible to FG formation then back to your original play every snap to counter the Dime nano.

Actually... It's only boring if one player limits his plays to combat their opponent's 'cheese.' When I meet a cheeser with a limited attack, I like to see how many different ways I can stop his brand of 'cheese.' Reason being, if the gimmick is really good, I'm going to see it again. Better to tinker with a defense when I know I can clamp down at any moment, than to be stuck dealing with the same play and only having one way to deal with it.

Also, in '05 You didn't have to audible to FG. I never did. I opted to go with I-Form with a FB protecting... Just drop behind the FB and you get time for a 3 or 5 step route.

TNT, I gotta disagree. The mindset of a "cheeser" is something you can't rationalize with. If what they want to do doesn't work, they'll just pull the plug and try again with someone else.

I disagree... The mindset of a 'cheeser' is much more rational than they are given credit. If there weren't so many idiots using the gimmicks, it would almost seem genius. Chesse frustrates people and causes them to lose focus and desire. Sun Tsu says that removing a players will to fight is the path to victory (too bad cheesers don't read Sun Tsu).

But we can still make a stand. When one player crushes a cheeser it will be the next person's duty to unleash the hounds and kick butt with NFL SIM style play. Eventually, 'cheese' players will have nowhere to run, nowhere to hide and their decisions will become more inline with the ideals of the NFL SIM play.

As a player with more than 6000 games under his belt in the last 7 years, I can attest to the number of would be 'cheesers' that play STR8 immediately after discovering that the silly antics aren't working. They use the antics at first to see if you can stop it, but they have a backup plan.

Of course there are the players that sold out to the lie. They have nothing other than goofy gimmick plays. But that doesn't mean that WE should sell out to the lie. We know better. You CAN WIN by simulating NFL concepts.

So after I get finished WHOOPING someone, I'm passing him to one of you guys. I expect you guys to WHOOP HIM and pass him to the next guy. Eventually when that booty gets beat enough, their minds will tell them to change something. They will either change their opponent by quitting every game when the asinine is negated, go to a backup plan and make better football decisions, or stop playing Madden.

Either way... we have the duty to make 'cheese' hurt. Make it ineffective. Make it painful.

The trend since online play began has been for NFL SIM players to shelter themselves from 'cheese' play. IMO, the NFL SIM players are better served when we stand up to 'cheesers' with fundamentally sound football and PROVE we can still be competitive.

If we don't start taking a stand, it makes us all look like cowards and crybabies. Personally, I'm not comfortable with the idea that EA must swoop in to the rescue and I make sure my attitude and my play reflect it.

Do your part... Kick the butt of a cheeser today!!!

Later

[CRMosier_LM]

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I haven't played online much (outside of online franchise) but I think this is a great idea! The main reason I don't play online is I always get stuck playing with some jerkwad who either throws screens all day, or throws 20 streak routes, or goes for it on every 4th down. Don't get me wrong, I always win against losers like that but its freaking annoying to want to sit down and play a good game of football only to get stuck with this kind of person. I had a guy the other day throw to his HB out of the backfield.... same play 5 times in a row! Same guy threw 22 streak routes... same guy got beat by 56 points by sim style ball, beating them isn't the point, I felt I had to punish the dude (breaking one of my own sportsmanship rules along the way by running up the score). Those kind of ballers are just disrespectful and it would be nice to have a heads up before playing them.

[TNT713]

Re: A Madden "Cheese" Rating is long overdue.

I haven't played online much (outside of online franchise) but I think this is a great idea! The main reason I don't play online is I always get stuck playing with some jerkwad who either throws screens all day, or throws 20 streak routes, or goes for it on every 4th down. Don't get me wrong, I always win against losers like that but its freaking annoying to want to sit down and play a good game of football only to get stuck with this kind of person. I had a guy the other day throw to his HB out of the backfield.... same play 5 times in a row! Same guy threw 22 streak routes... same guy got beat by 56 points by sim style ball, beating them isn't the point, I felt I had to punish the dude (breaking one of my own sportsmanship rules along the way by running up the score). Those kind of ballers are just disrespectful and it would be nice to have a heads up before playing them.

I'm different... I much enjoy the thrill of beating the stuffings out of people that disrespect me or the game of football. I take the gloves off.

Check out this video where I scored 42 points in 2:36 of game time.
2-Minute Drill #2 - TNT SMASH

Fortunately I have no rule against running up the score. After scoring 42 pts in 2:36, it changes one's idea of a safe lead. The only safe lead is a bigger one.

Later

[phant030]

Re: A Madden "Cheese" Rating is long overdue.

@ TNT, love the mindset bro. I feel far too many times ppl use 'cheese' too loosely....and self believed parameters of 'sim' play. At the end of the day, your trying to beat your opponent. Perfect example of what your saying, my roommate converts to strategic play after i hand him his *** 15 gms str8.