It's official: the patch weakened Offensive Rebounds (tested!)

[natedZA]

After averaging about 5 offensive rebounds (with 9 min quarters) in my association, I decided to try remove the patch and see if it improves the amount of offensive rebounds I could grab. So, After removing the patch, I was up against the Bulls with my Knicks. My two main rebounders are A.Randolph and Amar'e. At the end of the game I had 11 offensive rebounds and didn't really even rebound that well. Before, not once did I ever get above 10 offensive rebounds. This I feel is the perfect amount of rebounds for 9 min quarters and I played with the exact same slider set (100 OR, 0 DR) as before (with the patch). So, my offensive rebounding more than doubled after the removal of the patch. I also felt a lot more in control of the rebounds as if I timed it right with the right player, I would definitely get the rebound whereas before, it was kind of like a coin toss. I will be updating this for more tests as I play more games.

[KyotoCarl]

Re: It's official: the patch weakened Offensive Rebounds (tested!)

One game is not an ample sample size to start. You need more games than one.

People seem to be looking for faults with the patch. Overall, the patch was great for the game even though there are still things I think they should do better.

[threatlockz]

Re: It's official: the patch weakened Offensive Rebounds (tested!)

exactly. Kobe scored 81 against the Raptors one time, doesn't mean he will do it every time.
I have no problems with O.Rebs.

[natedZA]

Re: It's official: the patch weakened Offensive Rebounds (tested!)

What I'm saying is that I don't think it's a coincidence that for the first time ever; I got over 10 offensive boards after I removed the patch!

[Pared]

Re: It's official: the patch weakened Offensive Rebounds (tested!)

One game is not an ample sample size to start. You need more games than one.

People seem to be looking for faults with the patch. Overall, the patch was great for the game even though there are still things I think they should do better.

Good post.

The game has enough variance that you won't experience the same thing game to game... unless you become predictable.

[Pezell04x]

Re: It's official: the patch weakened Offensive Rebounds (tested!)

After averaging about 5 offensive rebounds (with 9 min quarters) in my association, I decided to try remove the patch and see if it improves the amount of offensive rebounds I could grab. So, After removing the patch, I was up against the Bulls with my Knicks. My two main rebounders are A.Randolph and Amar'e. At the end of the game I had 11 offensive rebounds and didn't really even rebound that well. Before, not once did I ever get above 10 offensive rebounds. This I feel is the perfect amount of rebounds for 9 min quarters and I played with the exact same slider set (100 OR, 0 DR) as before (with the patch). So, my offensive rebounding more than doubled after the removal of the patch. I also felt a lot more in control of the rebounds as if I timed it right with the right player, I would definitely get the rebound whereas before, it was kind of like a coin toss. I will be updating this for more tests as I play more games.

Before posting this, you should have used a larger sample size - lets say 10-20 games. There's been games when I've been able to only grab about 2-3 offensive rebounds in my Association (all-star, 12 minutes) with Tim Duncan and/or Al Jefferson manning the 4 and 5. Then there's been games when I've grabbed 10-11 with a team.

Just because you deleted the patch and grabbed more boards in 1 game doesn't make it that the patch weakened offensive rebounding. It would be like removing the patch and shooting better from the field (for 1 game) and saying that the patch weakened shooting.

I don't feel like the patch weakened offensive rebounding, but to each his own?

[natedZA]

Re: It's official: the patch weakened Offensive Rebounds (tested!)

Alright, I just played another game. Again, 9 min quarters and I grabbed 12 ORs. So, compared to my average (with the patch) of around 5, I think 12 is a huge improvement and is a very realistic figure. Before, I was getting nowhere near 12 boards, most I think was about 8 (and that game went into OT).

[Pared]

Re: It's official: the patch weakened Offensive Rebounds (tested!)

Well if it works for you, enjoy the game without the patch.

Others don't agree and will play the game with the patch.

Everyone wins.

[RedmanR]

Re: It's official: the patch weakened Offensive Rebounds (tested!)

There's been games when I've been able to only grab about 2-3 offensive rebounds in my Association (all-star, 12 minutes) with Tim Duncan and/or Al Jefferson manning the 4 and 5. Then there's been games when I've grabbed 10-11 with a team.

What are your rebounding sliders in your association?

[greenieblue]

Re: It's official: the patch weakened Offensive Rebounds (tested!)

Offensive rebounds were 42% too low before the patch and after the patch. There is no difference.

I could go into great statistical detail to prove my point, but most of your eyes will glaze over.

If you get into good position, of course you can grab as many as you want. Why wouldn't that be the case?

But, the game does not produce Offensive Rebounds realistically on either end (i.e. the AI does not put offensive players in good position to grab offensive rebounds), no matter what you do. Your only option is to run around and be the Offensive Rebound police for the entire league.

I understand how unimportant this actually is but, if we are going to have the conversation, it should be informed. And if MLB: TC had Pujols max out at 20 HR's the whole forums would be up in arms.

[SonicMage]

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I understand how unimportant this actually is but, if we are going to have the conversation, it should be informed.

Offensive rebounds working properly is absolutely important, its one of the four factors of basketball.

I mainly watch CPU-CPU and its pretty darn clear to me that the AI makes little effort on the offensive glass. I'm not really concerning myself with biasing my sliders or rosters to account for this, since the only way to really have it fixed is by VC releasing another patch.

[greenieblue]

Re: It's official: the patch weakened Offensive Rebounds (tested!)

Offensive rebounds working properly is absolutely important, its one of the four factors of basketball.

I mainly watch CPU-CPU and its pretty darn clear to me that the AI makes little effort on the offensive glass. I'm not really concerning myself with biasing my sliders or rosters to account for this, since the only way to really have it fixed is by VC releasing another patch.

I agree.

I meant with a war going on and all...

I'm skeptical that it can be fixed with a patch. The problem seems much deeper.

[WyxHarmon]

Re: It's official: the patch weakened Offensive Rebounds (tested!)

I got 3 in a row last night with Darren Collison against MARC GASOL.

So yeah, this is wrong.