Should Madden have player ratings at all?

[fhhs63]

So, hear me out. Everyone likes realism. Yes, Madden has always attracted the Michael Vick abusing arcade-style users, but I think everyone here agrees that most true Madden fans are more geared towards realism.

I believe, in order to be realistic, Madden needs to do away with ANY type of player ratings whatsoever. In real life (that little place you find when you turn your door knob and push.....or pull in some cases), there are no player ratings. Players are judged based on how they perform.

I'm not going to go into a long explanation, but basically, we should just get rid of player ratings and again judge players by how they play. Any average joe could look at ratings and stack their team by unrealistic trades. But if players had no ratings and their value was based on age and performance, not only would teams be more evened out and you couldn't stack your team unrealistically, trades would be even too.

But how would you tell which rookies are good? Well, this is where scouts would come in. Scouts give detailed reports, BUT no ratings. Like "this kid has a cannon of an arm, but isn't comfortable in the pocket."

I can think of many more ideas for this, but Madden won't listen anyways.....

[Hooe]

Re: Should Madden have player ratings at all?

The nature of computers effectively prevents this from happening absolutely; there is always going to be some sort of numerical rating system governing how the players interact with one another.

That said, I'm all in favor of allowing the user to hide and/or mask the existing ratings, either by the letter-grades in NBA2K, the "abilities" of APF2K8, the "weapons" of Madden 08 (which really didn't do anything other than tell you a guy had a high rating in a particular category, other than the play-art revealing abilities which should go away), or something else.

The idea of masking ratings has at the very least been previously presented by the developers for feedback from the community; not sure if it makes it into Madden, but they have at least entertained the thought.

[Seanzie]

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So all you're basically proposing is that there are just hidden ratings as opposed to viewable, editable ratings?

Or, you're saying that Peyton Manning, Michael Vick, Trent Edwards, Joe Webb, and Charlie Batch should all start at the same place, and then they just play better or worse based on in-game performance?

Not trying to be a jerk, but either way I don't think you've thought this out that well, and if you have, I don't think your idea is a good one.

[tlc12576]

Re: Should Madden have player ratings at all?

So all you're basically proposing is that there are just hidden ratings as opposed to viewable, editable ratings?

Or, you're saying that Peyton Manning, Michael Vick, Trent Edwards, Joe Webb, and Charlie Batch should all start at the same place, and then they just play better or worse based on in-game performance?

Not trying to be a jerk, but either way I don't think you've thought this out that well, and if you have, I don't think your idea is a good one.

Yes, this. Of course players have to have ratings in a video game, he just wants it hidden. There is already a thread on this and the devs said in podcast 3, I think, it was too easy to do.

So hopefully, this OPTION makes it into Madden 12, with the caveat that they show ALL players combine data. Like 40 times, bench press, shuttle, etc, like they do for the draft picks. However, I shouldn't have to scout NFL vets, this data should be already available, IMO.

I do think it would be interesting to have different drills and test you can put players through while controlling them to make your own talent assessment. However, this should affect individual NFL vets willingness to sign or re-sign with your team, since they despise being treated like the still need to prove themselves.

[Clutch masta]

Re: Should Madden have player ratings at all?

just give out grades, not a specific number. Like speed, Reggie wayne (B)(like an 86 speed) . Do it according to position though like if you have an athletic O-lineman his speed would be about 78 (A).

[oneamongthefence]

Re: Should Madden have player ratings at all?

And keep it relative to position. An A speed to a WR would be different than an a speed for a NT.

[fhhs63]

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What Krioniq said, I meant hide the ratings from users.

[mr_president]

Re: Should Madden have player ratings at all?

i thought the way APF handled their players was well done, i would like to see them adopt that method or build upon it.

[fhhs63]

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If not hide the ratings, do it like NBA 2k does with letter grades.

[mjhyankees]

Re: Should Madden have player ratings at all?

I don't know....each team in the NFL scouts and grades players at many of the same things that Madden does....I can't say it's exactly the same but similar. When a team goes to draft or trade a guy, they have viable numbers that they use to compare. Even if they letter grade each attribute, there is an overall score to distinguish the QB with great arm and poor defensive reading abilities to the preferable decent arm and good reading abilities. It can just "even out" in the end...there is a judgement system all teams use to choose one player over another in free agency, draft, trades etc.
Now also, UNLIKE madden, whose players will play to their ratings, the NFL scouts can be WRONG and a highly rated player could fail to live up to expectations. I'd like to see madden accomodate this, mostly in there made up players for the draft. Current guys I'd like to see play as they are now but compensate for the ravages of age and injury.
It would be nice to see a HB who is a 96 speed now, become an 88 after knee surgery or stuff like that.
In old gen, I do remember having a 99 HB (drafted player who I worked on in training camp) drop to a 90 in one season (I guess he was aging).

[Reejer]

Re: Should Madden have player ratings at all?

So hopefully, this OPTION makes it into Madden 12, with the caveat that they show ALL players combine data. Like 40 times, bench press, shuttle, etc, like they do for the draft picks. However, I shouldn't have to scout NFL vets, this data should be already available, IMO.

I do think it would be interesting to have different drills and test you can put players through while controlling them to make your own talent assessment. However, this should affect individual NFL vets willingness to sign or re-sign with your team, since they despise being treated like the still need to prove themselves.

I like this idea having the combine data instead of showing ratings. It would be cool if each player had a scouting homepage which could break down the following info: Career stats, injuries, height/weight, combine data, attitude (what kind of player he is: Team leader, distraction, etc..), age, awards, Pro-Bowl appearances, and a paragraph stating some of the players other attributes.

I also like the idea of assessing talent. It could be used when you bring in some FA players to give them a workout. EX: If halfway through the season you are down to one QB because of injuries, you can bring in a few FA QB's to run them through the paces (like in the real NFL). It would make it even better if they expanded the FA list to include players that have been out of the league a year or two, and added a Practice Squad.

The only things that need to be ironed out are; create-a-player, the ability to edit existing players, and repealing/reworking the potential rating.

Because IMO, depth and customization are very important aspects of Madden, these would be great additions (but make them able to be toggled for folks who would get turned off by not being able to see the players ratings).

[fhhs63]

Re: Should Madden have player ratings at all?

I like this idea having the combine data instead of showing ratings. It would be cool if each player had a scouting homepage which could break down the following info: Career stats, injuries, height/weight, combine data, attitude (what kind of player he is: Team leader, distraction, etc..), age, awards, Pro-Bowl appearances, and a paragraph stating some of the players other attributes.

I also like the idea of assessing talent. It could be used when you bring in some FA players to give them a workout. EX: If halfway through the season you are down to one QB because of injuries, you can bring in a few FA QB's to run them through the paces (like in the real NFL). It would make it even better if they expanded the FA list to include players that have been out of the league a year or two, and added a Practice Squad.

The only things that need to be ironed out are; create-a-player, the ability to edit existing players, and repealing/reworking the potential rating.

Because IMO, depth and customization are very important aspects of Madden, these would be great additions (but make them able to be toggled for folks who would get turned off by not being able to see the players ratings).

EXACTLY!!!!

[Bigmofo]

Re: Should Madden have player ratings at all?

What if the ratings were more realistic like..40 time, bench press, verticle leap...college stats would speak to heart? NFL tenure would speak to awareness, field smarts..something like that..Bench press+weight gives you a sense of strength?

[MADDENites]

Re: Should Madden have player ratings at all?

I dont think this is the solution, but i do think there is a better way to do it than the system they have now, not sure what that is tho haha, hopefully they figure it out

[deadly738]

Re: Should Madden have player ratings at all?

Something I would like to see is keep the ratings, but hide the overall ratings. That way, you have to look at each player's individual ratings to see who you want to start.